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allhart · Oct 19, 2008

People run there lives into the ground.Even to run it to the end at there own demise. Only if God could get there neutral approach to his coming along side and mentoring to there needs, but the people can't or won't give up what they seem to think control is. Even knowing they are going down. As to look at a drowning victim. To a person in attempt of rescue they have to wait outside of there reach for the victim will try to control there own way out flailing and pulling to more sporadic control of there demise. Not stopping to surrender. Only to say they give up. Why can't we see that God is a friend?

GQ Chris · Oct 19, 2008

It all goes back to our fallenness. I heard a Wise Pastor once say, "Sin will take you where you don't want to go, make you stay longer than you want to stay, and make you pay more than you ever wanted to pay". Sadly people may say they want to turn away from Sin, but not many actually do.

allhart · Oct 19, 2008

GQ Chris said:
It all goes back to our fallenness. I heard a Wise Pastor once say, "Sin will take you where you don't want to go, make you stay longer than you want to stay, and make you pay more than you ever wanted to pay". Sadly people may say they want to turn away from Sin, but not many actually do.

Make's sense.

Garyzenuf · Oct 19, 2008

allhart said:
Make's sense.

Unlike the OP.

paug · Oct 19, 2008

allhart said:
People run there lives into the ground.Even to run it to the end at there own demise. Only if God could get there neutral approach to his coming along side and mentoring to there needs, but the people can't or won't give up what they seem to think control is. Even knowing they are going down. As to look at a drowning victim. To a person in attempt of rescue they have to wait outside of there reach for the victim will try to control there own way out flailing and pulling to more sporadic control of there demise. Not stopping to surrender. Only to say they give up. Why can't we see that God is a friend?

I read somewhere that one of the ingredients was chicken - amazing though how they got that crispy, delicious crust while keeping the inside nice and moist!

Wait, what?

katautumn · Oct 19, 2008

GQ Chris said:
It all goes back to our fallenness. I heard a Wise Pastor once say, "Sin will take you where you don't want to go, make you stay longer than you want to stay, and make you pay more than you ever wanted to pay". Sadly people may say they want to turn away from Sin, but not many actually do.

That only applies to some people. I do things every single day that many Christians may consider a "sin", but I don't feel any sort of emotional or spiritual impact as the result.

SAPguy · Oct 19, 2008

Some people may not even be living in sin, so to speak, but they want utmost control over their lives.

Control is one of those things that humans crave and handing that control over to another human is hard enough. Handing it over to God is even more difficult for those individuals because he can't be seen or felt by them.

People try so hard and grasp so tightly to what they know and what they think will make them comfortable. Sometimes it takes them running their lives into the ground before God can finally get their attention.

allhart · Oct 19, 2008

SAPguy said:
Some people may not even be living in sin, so to speak, but they want utmost control over their lives.

Control is one of those things that humans crave and handing that control over to another human is hard enough. Handing it over to God is even more difficult for those individuals because he can't be seen or felt by them.

People try so hard and grasp so tightly to what they know and what they think will make them comfortable. Sometimes it takes them running their lives into the ground before God can finally get their attention.

I here ya. They can't look at the bible in mirror of themselves. To see to fix themselves. As soon as they put the book down they for get what they looked like. This is in comparison of James 1:22-25 While the rest of the world see's that they have a bugger on there face ,but proceeds to tell them that there alright.

GQ Chris · Oct 19, 2008

KatAutumn said:
That only applies to some people. I do things every single day that many Christians may consider a "sin", but I don't feel any sort of emotional or spiritual impact as the result.

No, that applies to you as well as every man and woman. The fact that you don't "feel" the results of it, at least not immediately, is irrelevant.

colgraff · Oct 19, 2008

SAPguy said:
Control is one of those things that humans crave and handing that control over to another human is hard enough. Handing it over to God is even more difficult for those individuals because he can't be seen or felt by them.

I prefer to hand control of my life over to the person who is responsible for my actions. Me.

Matthewj1985 · Oct 19, 2008

Garyzenuf said:
Unlike the OP.

lol, in another thread he told me if I knew God I would understand him. Apparently now when you trade in your soul you get one of these.

Matthewj1985 · Oct 19, 2008

SAPguy said:
Some people may not even be living in sin, so to speak, but they want utmost control over their lives.

Control is one of those things that humans crave and handing that control over to another human is hard enough. Handing it over to God is even more difficult for those individuals because he can't be seen or felt by them.

People try so hard and grasp so tightly to what they know and what they think will make them comfortable. Sometimes it takes them running their lives into the ground before God can finally get their attention.

Why not turn your life over to Zeus?

Holy Roller · Oct 19, 2008

Matthewj1985 said:
Why not turn your life over to Zeus?

I'm guessing you are now a Zeusian? Or is this how you naturally treat people--by criticizing their beliefs?

Because of how you treat other people I would never in a million years read what you had to say let alone follow it. You have done more to turn me away from Christianity than any other person in the world.

Just asking...

SAPguy · Oct 19, 2008

colgraff said:
I prefer to hand control of my life over to the person who is responsible for my actions. Me.

The actions you take in your life are uniquely up to you. The direction your life takes may be up to a higher power, however.

Matthewj1985 said:
Why not turn your life over to Zeus?

Because I don't belive that Zeus can or will do anything for me. If you honestly believe Zeus, or Buddha, or your next door neighbors dog is pulling the strings, then go with it and see what happens.

I'm not telling anyone what to believe, simply speaking on the subject of control, which certain posters in this thread have so eloquently proven that they prefer to hang on to. Made my point for me.

Nathan45 · Oct 19, 2008

Line by line allhart to english translation for those having difficulty:

allhart said:
People run there lives into the ground. Even to run it to the end at there own demise.

People make bad decisions in their lives, which may even result in their own death.

Only if God could get there neutral approach to his coming along side and mentoring to there needs, but the people can't or won't give up what they seem to think control is. Even knowing they are going down.

If only they were to trust God to help their needs, but they won't because they want to be in control of their lives. They even know they're in trouble, but they won't give up control.

As to look at a drowning victim. To a person in attempt of rescue they have to wait outside of there reach for the victim will try to control there own way out flailing and pulling to more sporadic control of there demise. Not stopping to surrender. Only to say they give up. Why can't we see that God is a friend?

This is like if they were drowning, and someone was trying to rescue them, but they keep flailing and refuse rescue, and won't accept help. They won't stop flailing because they want to be in control. They won't surrender to God.

Why can't they see that God is their friend?

Nathan45 · Oct 19, 2008

Allhart to English Translation:

allhart said:
I here ya. They can't look at the bible in mirror of themselves. To see to fix themselves. As soon as they put the book down they for get what they looked like. This is in comparison of James 1:22-25 While the rest of the world see's that they have a bugger on there face ,but proceeds to tell them that there alright.

I hear you. They read the bible but don't get anything out of it, they don't see their own sin or how it is condemned in the bible. It's like someone who looks at themselves in a mirror, then looks away, and immediately forgets what they looked like. Read James 1:22-25. The world wrongly tells them that their sin is not a problem and they're fine just as they are.

(Translated by Nathan for those having difficulty understanding allhart)

Matthewj1985 · Oct 19, 2008

Holy Roller said:
I'm guessing you are now a Zeusian? Or is this how you naturally treat people--by criticizing their beliefs?

Just asking...

No, it is a perfectly valid question. What gives the God of the bible and more credibility than the God of the Greeks? Your insults and all around attitude remind me of why I left the faith in the first place.

Matthewj1985 · Oct 19, 2008

SAPguy said:
Because I don't belive that Zeus can or will do anything for me. If you honestly believe Zeus, or Buddha, or your next door neighbors dog is pulling the strings, then go with it and see what happens.

I'm not telling anyone what to believe, simply speaking on the subject of control, which certain posters in this thread have so eloquently proven that they prefer to hang on to. Made my point for me.

Why does the God of the bible have any more validity than Zeus? Zeus is much older.

The Nihilist · Oct 19, 2008

Matthewj1985 said:
Why does the God of the bible have any more validity than Zeus? Zeus is much older.

I think Zeus is a much more attractive deity all around, particularly in that he doesn't torture everyone in the world forever just for being born

Andreusz · Oct 20, 2008

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