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Nathan Poe
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Just as you would try to surgically graft the two until it's impossible to tell one from the other, making them all but interchangable.
Jesus is God
Jesus is the Word
The Bible is the Word
ergo, the Bible is God.
You'd like that. Keeping God in your pocket certainly puts you in a position of power. That's the motivation for most Biblists.
And we know yours.
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Follower of Christ
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I wonder what it was that Lucaspa did that got him removed from ''christian only'' areas?
He says he is reinstated, but I would love to know what words he said to get him removed in the first place.
They dont just do that for no reason at all, and it seems that a mild infraction would have only recieved a warning or something.
Maybe I am not the only person here who thinks that his ''christianity'' is lacking somewhat.
He says he is reinstated, but I would love to know what words he said to get him removed in the first place.
They dont just do that for no reason at all, and it seems that a mild infraction would have only recieved a warning or something.
Maybe I am not the only person here who thinks that his ''christianity'' is lacking somewhat.
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JohnR7
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Do you believe everything your told?
I remember when I was a kid, someone told me I could tell what time of day it was, by the position of the sun. I had to figure it out, but eventually I decided that what they were telling me was true. If the sun was directly overhead, it was 12 oclock. Before that, I knew there was day and night, sunrise and sunset, and that was pretty much the extent of it. Beyond that, I really did not even care or think about it a whole lot.
When you say the average person thought this, that or the other, I think the average person could of cared less and really did not give it a lot of thought. They pretty much went by what science at that time told them, if they gave it any thought at all.
When mankind entered the iron age about 4000 years ago they pretty well had the solar system figured out. If you do a study, esp. on the Hittites, and other civilizations in the furtile cresent, you maybe surprised as how much they knew.
Around that time they developed a spoked wheel, made out of iron and wood. That wheel did not change a whole lot for about 4000 years. Right up to when Harvey Firestone began to experment around with making a wheel out of rubber. Ford, Firestone and Edison were all pretty good friends and they seemed to be able to work together to bring about some real progress that continued on even after their part of it was done.
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JohnR7
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How about some baloot instead?
I thought that origional ideas was the stuff that evolutionary theory was made out of. When the old starched ideas no longer serve their purpose then the new and fresh ones take over.
So, if no one is coming up with any new ideas, then I guess that is pretty much proof conclusive that evolutionary theory is a crock.
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JohnR7
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Jesus is the word of God. From the beginning, man has always had the question of: What does God want from us. The Bible gives us Gods plan and tells us exactly what He wants and expects from us.
Only God did one better than that. He sent Jesus to be a living example for us to follow. Everything we need to know, to be the people God wants us to be, we can find in Jesus.
So we are to become living epistles. We are to do all the Bible says we can do, and we are to be, all the Bible says we can be. Our life is to be a living example to others.
Oh, wait a min. have not you and I had long conversations about what it means to be real and not a phony? Do you think in your wildest imagination that the Bible does not show us the way to be real, and show us how not to be a phony?
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Follower of Christ
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John
I thank God that folks like you are still around.
I thought this was jsut a Genesis problem, but lucaspa and others have convinced me that this is an issue with the whole Bible.
Where are we going to be if this generation thinks that they no longer need Gods word?
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LewisWildermuth
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There is a slight problem here FOC...
the texts actually read "For there are three that testify." and that is it. The rest seems to have been added later. Most of the copies of 1John 5:7 we have and all of the oldest ones to not mention the Father, the Word, or the Holy Spirit at all.
Here are some sites on it...
http://www.bible.org/docs/soapbox/1john5-7.htm
http://www.tegart.com/brian/bible/kjvonly/doug/1john5_7.html
This is why the added text is not found in many of the newer translations.
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LewisWildermuth
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No Nathan, all FOD proved is that even though he may be a Bible literalist, he did not bother to do his research on this verse before he posted it.
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Plumbdumb
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Whew! I am a "Bible Literalist", but since I am also "Plumbdumb" I am real glad that my salvation does not depend on my knowledge of God's Word being perfect, nor does it rest on my interpretation of His Word being perfect. My salvation rests on my relationship with Jesus Christ. Period. I guess that begs a question: If I can allow God time to mature me, making more complete, more understanding of His Will and His Truth, why shouldn't I allow Him to do the same with others? Maybe we need to spend less time attacking each other and more time praying for each other.
Take all that for whatever it's worth but remember, I'm just............
Take all that for whatever it's worth but remember, I'm just............
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LewisWildermuth
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Okay FOC...
You used a verse to call Lucaspa's Christianity and knowledge of the bible into question.
You have been shown that the verse you used is most likely an add on that was not in the original text.
Lucaspa was right and you insulted him for it, are you going to apologize? Or will your pride not allow you to do that.
You used a verse to call Lucaspa's Christianity and knowledge of the bible into question.
You have been shown that the verse you used is most likely an add on that was not in the original text.
Lucaspa was right and you insulted him for it, are you going to apologize? Or will your pride not allow you to do that.
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I just find it amazing that someone would claim the Bible is the foundation of the faith. The faith predates the Bible, and the Bible isn't in the Nicene creed. The foundation of the faith is a personal relationship with God. The Bible itself says that, without that, the Bible is just meaningless.
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How about this;
I apologize for insulting Lucaspa in the manner i did.
However, I have studied the texts and have seen enough of the recieved texts and majority texts to feel confident enough the verse belongs.
I completely ignore texts such as Vaticanus and Sinaiticus as they are more than likely corrupt.
These texts have much bigger problems than just 1 john 5:7 to worry about.
but again, Sorry to have offended Lucaspa.
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Well, you do seem to know some things.
Now can you explain why, since the faith predates the scriptures, that I would say that the Bible is the foundation of Christianity?
There are reasons.
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Taffsadar
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Today at 08:05 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #34
Well, you do seem to know some things.
Now can you explain why, since the faith predates the scriptures, that I would say that the Bible is the foundation of Christianity?
There are reasons.
Becuase people had faith in other things like Gaia?
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Today at 02:05 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #34
Well, you do seem to know some things.
Now can you explain why, since the faith predates the scriptures, that I would say that the Bible is the foundation of Christianity?
There are reasons.
I would say because you belong to a denomination which teaches that. I think that teaching is in error. Probably the whole thing about the "Word" in 1 John, being applied to the Bible instead of to Christ.
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Follower of Christ
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I belong to no denomination.
I follow no man.
I follow Christ
the beginning of 1 John just as the beginning of John, speak of the Word (Christ).
Easy enough. I have no problem revealing what I believe.
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