Supporting The Troops Is Supporting The War

[cgid3]

The US Military presence in the Middle East is like a Brinks Home Security System. As much as an effect the security system itself has on your safety, the majority of the protection comes from people knowing its there.

What is the first thing people do when they get it? They put stickers on every outside window and doors, and stick a 'Protected By Brinks' sign in thier yard.

Our troops are more for show than anything else. I understand that they are well trained and well equiped and fully capable to deal with any threats. My point is that just thier military presence has no doubt suppressed any violence before it starts, making would-be terrorists rethink thier actions.

 

[joebudda]

Because your premise is a logical fallacy.

Amusing, I am getting the feeling you are confused on what logical fallacies are. Maybe you can point out what logical fallacy I am falling victim to. Because I don't think you will be able to because I don't believe there is a fallacy you will be able to point out to support this claim.

If by law, it is legal for a soldier to kill a proclaimed enemy, then, that soldier had done nothing wrong and is not to blame.

What is the "law" if not just an opinion? And here is seems you do believe that the lives of individuals are less important then an opinion. I guess you don't think that individuals should be responsible for their own actions. I guess individuals don't have a "right to life" because of an opinion.

If by law, a mother kills her unborn child, then, that mother had not done murder.

It is nothing more then an individual curing an infestation of a parasite. But this isn't what this thread is about, is it?

I personally do not believe in abortion and the legal definition of when life begins is meaningless to me.

It seems you agree that laws are nothing more then opinions.

I believe that child is human and precious life from the moment of conception.

You can believe what ever you wish. But this parasite is unable to survive without feeding on its host. Yet the host has no problem surviving without the parasite feeding on them. So the individual infected with this parasite has the right to cure this infection. But this isn't what this thread is about it is?

However, while I can hold that OPINION, it is nothing more than an opinion and it proves nothing.

You are correct, it proves noting. It is only a disingenuous attempt to shift the focus of the conversation.

Your OPINION is that the soldiers are murdering Iraqis.

Where have I stated that my opinion is that the soldiers are murdering anyone? Are you a lier or can we attribute this to ignorance?

However, by American law, those soldiers are doing as they are legally bound to do.

So the lives of individuals are less important then the opinions that condone taking these individuals lives. I guess individual responsibility means nothing when they believe some opinion is worth more then an individuals life.

They do not even have a choice as the mother does. They entered the military and have been called to active duty.

Then they choose to propagate and create war. And to support them you support their choice to create war.

They, perhaps, had a choice when they entered the military, but honestly, if no one volunteered, we would have a draft right now.

The "draft" is only a opinion in the minds of those who believe it. And anyway I don't think a "draft" would go over to well without people rising up.

I am also against capital punishment. I am by far, more of a pacifist than you.

Amusing, you sure got me good. LOL

I do not support this war, but I do support those who have been ordered to participate in it.

If you support individuals who choose to participate in war then you support the war they create when they participate. You must assume these individuals have no control of their own actions or not smart enough to decide for themselves, this sounds like you don't think much of the individuals if you believe they are not responsible for their own actions. Do you believe them to be mentally unfit to be responsible for themselves or something?

It is not one and the same. A does not equal B just because you say that it does.

Behaviour causes consequences. So A does equal B. And supporting the "troops" is supporting the war.

 

[joebudda]

Totally you missed what I said, or conveniently ignored it.

Harry Potter or the writer of that fiction is not a prophet, doesn't have a fulfilled prophecy to her name, nor tries to credential her work with prophecy. She only speaks of herself. If she were a prophet, it would probably not be 100% accurate, thus would be a false prophet so that whatever she says should be ignored.

Yet the bible contains fulfilled prophecy, and 100% accurate at that, thus the writer can be trusted with whatever they write. The writer of the bible is God, he has proclaimed that, and with 100% accurate prophecy, it is his signature, thus passages like Romans 13 concerning justice is true as well, becasue the bible has credibility due to 100% accurately fulfilled prophecy.

To over look the statistical probability of fulfilled prophecy, which in enormous, well is a terrible mistake, it's purely denying logic. It's simply not logical to overlook that, such a position is as you say, "fantasy". You point the finger, but you are not realizing that on that same hand the other three fingers are pointing right back at you. No logic... yet it's apparent, but ignored, and that is not logical.

I am sure you believe this nonsense regarding your particular superstition, just like Tom Cruise believes his Scientology. But you and Tom both need "faith" to convince yourselves of these absurdities. And faith can be shown to deceive most people most of the time. And being "faith" deceives most people most of the time there is no reason to put your "faith" in "faith" if you desire truth.

It would be like trusting a secret to the town gossip, or trusting a known thief with your property. If your goal is to keep that secret it isn't very smart to tell the gossip, if your goal is to protect your property it isn't very smart to trust it with a thief, just like if you wish to know the "truth" the last thing you do is believe it in "faith".

Because there is no more reason to believe your particular god exist as there is to believe Tom Cruise, or the Muslim, or the Hindu, or even the flying spaghetti monster.

 

[joebudda]

The US Military presence in the Middle East is like a Brinks Home Security System. As much as an effect the security system itself has on your safety, the majority of the protection comes from people knowing its there.

What is the first thing people do when they get it? They put stickers on every outside window and doors, and stick a 'Protected By Brinks' sign in thier yard.

Our troops are more for show than anything else. I understand that they are well trained and well equiped and fully capable to deal with any threats. My point is that just thier military presence has no doubt suppressed any violence before it starts, making would-be terrorists rethink thier actions.

Are we in a war?
If we are it is the actions of individuals that create war. If the "troops" are nothing more the pretty little stickers to put on your window as you insinuate then these individuals wouldn't be creating war, would they? And if these individuals were not willfully acting in ways which create war then there would be no war, would there be?
So do you believe there is a war or is the war just a myth to you?