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if i missed mass on Sunday i would feel terrible. Mass, wow what can i say, Mass is heaven. Mass contains a miracle everytime!! Sunday mass is a special celebration of JESUS resserection.
i, and i am fairly sure the church, understands your sleep problem. Your sin was probably not mortal!!
going to a daily mass does not replace the Sunday mass, but it is a good thing to do!! I would miss recieving JESUS so much i would go to as many daily masses as i could!!
And yes because of your sleep problem you would be very wise to go to Sat. eve mass.
I will pray for you.
if you have to go to mass cause the church says so, do so; but it is so much better if you realize that Mass is Heaven!! JESUS comes to you in a very special way. You should want to be there every chance you have!!
i, and i am fairly sure the church, understands your sleep problem. Your sin was probably not mortal!!
going to a daily mass does not replace the Sunday mass, but it is a good thing to do!! I would miss recieving JESUS so much i would go to as many daily masses as i could!!
And yes because of your sleep problem you would be very wise to go to Sat. eve mass.
I will pray for you.
if you have to go to mass cause the church says so, do so; but it is so much better if you realize that Mass is Heaven!! JESUS comes to you in a very special way. You should want to be there every chance you have!!
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lonnienord said:
You are such an inspiration to me Lonnie. I love reading all your post. Even if I don't always agree with you, I love your spirit! You are on fire!
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D'Ann
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Hi Stormy,
I'm a convert too and I had a similar question at one time too. I think the following will be helpful to you.
Chapter and Conventual Mass
As a general rule, churches in which the Divine office is to be said publicly every day must also have Mass said daily. This Mass is the "conventual" Mass (missa conventualis); it completes, with the canonical Hours, the official public service of God in such a church. A conventual Mass then is to be sung or said in all cathedrals and collegiate churches that have a chapter; in this case it is often called the "chapter" Mass (missa capituli), though the official books constantly use the general name "conventual" for this Mass too. A conventual (not chapter) Mass must also be celebrated daily in churches of regulars who have the obligation of the public recitation of the office, therefore certainly in churches of monks and canons regular. Whether mendicant friars have this obligation is disputed. Some authors consider them obliged by common law, others admit only whatever obligation they may have from their special constitutions or from custom. Some extend the obligation even to churches of nuns who say the office in choir. That friars may celebrate a daily conventual Mass according to the rule of monastic churches is admitted by every one (de Herdt., I, 14). A chapter Mass then is a kind of conventual Mass, and falls under the same rules.
The obligation of procuring the conventual Mass rests with the corporate body in question and so concerns its superiors (Dean, Provost, Abbot, etc.). Normally it should be said by one of the members, but the obligation is satisfied as long as some priest who may celebrate lawfully undertakes it. The conventual Mass should always, if possible, be a high Mass; but if this is impossible, low Mass is still treated as a high Mass with regard to the number of collects said, the candles, absence of prayers at the end, and so on. It may not be said during the recitation of the office, but at certain fixed times between the canonical Hours, as is explained below. The general rule is that the conventual Mass should correspond to the office with which it forms a whole. It is not allowed to sing two high Masses both conformed to the office on the same day. On the other hand, there are cases in which two different conventual Masses are celebrated. The cases in which the Mass does not correspond to the office are these: on Saturdays in Advent (except Ember Saturday and a Vigil), if the office is ferial the Mass is of the Blessed Virgin. On Vigils in Advent that are not also Ember days, if the office is ferial the Mass is of the Vigil commemorating the feria. On Maundy Thursday and Holy Saturday the Mass does not conform to the office. On Rogation Tuesday, if the office is ferial the Mass is of Rogation. On Whitsun Eve the office is of the Ascension, but the Mass a Whitsun Mass. When a Vigil, an Ember day or Rogation Monday falls within an octave (except that of the Blessed Sacrament) the office is of the octave, and the Mass of the feria commemorating the octave. Except in Advent and Lent, on Ember days, Rogation days and Vigils, if the office is ferial and the Sunday Mass has already been said that week, the conventual Mass may be one of the Votive Masses in the Missal appointed for each day in the week. Except in Advent, Lent and Paschal time, on the first day of the month not prevented by a double or semi-double, the conventual Mass is a Requiem for deceased members and benefactors of the community. On doubles, semi-doubles Sundays, and during octaves, the conventual Mass is said after Terce, on simples and ferias after Sext, on ferias of Advent and Lent, on Vigils and Ember days after None. There are also occasions on which several conventual Masses are said on the same day. On ferias of Lent, on Ember days, Rogation days and Vigils when a double or semi-double occurs, or during an octave or when a Votive office is said, the Mass corresponding to the office is said after Terce, that of the feria after None. On Ascension eve, if a double or semi-double occurs, the Mass of the feast is said after Terce, that of the Vigil after Sext, that of Rogation after None. In the case of the conventual Requiem mentioned above, if a simple occurs or if the Mass of the preceding Sunday has not yet been said, the Requiem is celebrated after the Office of the Dead, or if that is not said, after Prime, the Mass of the simple or Sunday after Sext. On All Souls' day (2 Nov.) the Mass of the octave (or feast) is said after Terce, the Requiem after None. When an additional Votive Mass has to be said (for instance for the Forty Hours or for the anniversary of the bishop's consecration or enthronement, etc.) It is said after None. On the Monday of each week (except in Lent and Paschal time) if the office is ferial the conventual Mass may be a Requiem. But if it is a simple or a feria with a proper Mass, or if the Sunday Mass has not been said, the collect for the dead (Fidelium) is added to that of the day instead. These rules concerning the celebration of two or more conventual Masses apply as laws only to chapters. Regulars are not bound to celebrate more than one such Mass each day (corresponding always to the office), unless the particular constitutions of their order impose this obligation.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09790a.htm
I'm a convert too and I had a similar question at one time too. I think the following will be helpful to you.
Chapter and Conventual Mass
As a general rule, churches in which the Divine office is to be said publicly every day must also have Mass said daily. This Mass is the "conventual" Mass (missa conventualis); it completes, with the canonical Hours, the official public service of God in such a church. A conventual Mass then is to be sung or said in all cathedrals and collegiate churches that have a chapter; in this case it is often called the "chapter" Mass (missa capituli), though the official books constantly use the general name "conventual" for this Mass too. A conventual (not chapter) Mass must also be celebrated daily in churches of regulars who have the obligation of the public recitation of the office, therefore certainly in churches of monks and canons regular. Whether mendicant friars have this obligation is disputed. Some authors consider them obliged by common law, others admit only whatever obligation they may have from their special constitutions or from custom. Some extend the obligation even to churches of nuns who say the office in choir. That friars may celebrate a daily conventual Mass according to the rule of monastic churches is admitted by every one (de Herdt., I, 14). A chapter Mass then is a kind of conventual Mass, and falls under the same rules.
The obligation of procuring the conventual Mass rests with the corporate body in question and so concerns its superiors (Dean, Provost, Abbot, etc.). Normally it should be said by one of the members, but the obligation is satisfied as long as some priest who may celebrate lawfully undertakes it. The conventual Mass should always, if possible, be a high Mass; but if this is impossible, low Mass is still treated as a high Mass with regard to the number of collects said, the candles, absence of prayers at the end, and so on. It may not be said during the recitation of the office, but at certain fixed times between the canonical Hours, as is explained below. The general rule is that the conventual Mass should correspond to the office with which it forms a whole. It is not allowed to sing two high Masses both conformed to the office on the same day. On the other hand, there are cases in which two different conventual Masses are celebrated. The cases in which the Mass does not correspond to the office are these: on Saturdays in Advent (except Ember Saturday and a Vigil), if the office is ferial the Mass is of the Blessed Virgin. On Vigils in Advent that are not also Ember days, if the office is ferial the Mass is of the Vigil commemorating the feria. On Maundy Thursday and Holy Saturday the Mass does not conform to the office. On Rogation Tuesday, if the office is ferial the Mass is of Rogation. On Whitsun Eve the office is of the Ascension, but the Mass a Whitsun Mass. When a Vigil, an Ember day or Rogation Monday falls within an octave (except that of the Blessed Sacrament) the office is of the octave, and the Mass of the feria commemorating the octave. Except in Advent and Lent, on Ember days, Rogation days and Vigils, if the office is ferial and the Sunday Mass has already been said that week, the conventual Mass may be one of the Votive Masses in the Missal appointed for each day in the week. Except in Advent, Lent and Paschal time, on the first day of the month not prevented by a double or semi-double, the conventual Mass is a Requiem for deceased members and benefactors of the community. On doubles, semi-doubles Sundays, and during octaves, the conventual Mass is said after Terce, on simples and ferias after Sext, on ferias of Advent and Lent, on Vigils and Ember days after None. There are also occasions on which several conventual Masses are said on the same day. On ferias of Lent, on Ember days, Rogation days and Vigils when a double or semi-double occurs, or during an octave or when a Votive office is said, the Mass corresponding to the office is said after Terce, that of the feria after None. On Ascension eve, if a double or semi-double occurs, the Mass of the feast is said after Terce, that of the Vigil after Sext, that of Rogation after None. In the case of the conventual Requiem mentioned above, if a simple occurs or if the Mass of the preceding Sunday has not yet been said, the Requiem is celebrated after the Office of the Dead, or if that is not said, after Prime, the Mass of the simple or Sunday after Sext. On All Souls' day (2 Nov.) the Mass of the octave (or feast) is said after Terce, the Requiem after None. When an additional Votive Mass has to be said (for instance for the Forty Hours or for the anniversary of the bishop's consecration or enthronement, etc.) It is said after None. On the Monday of each week (except in Lent and Paschal time) if the office is ferial the conventual Mass may be a Requiem. But if it is a simple or a feria with a proper Mass, or if the Sunday Mass has not been said, the collect for the dead (Fidelium) is added to that of the day instead. These rules concerning the celebration of two or more conventual Masses apply as laws only to chapters. Regulars are not bound to celebrate more than one such Mass each day (corresponding always to the office), unless the particular constitutions of their order impose this obligation.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09790a.htm
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bostonlass
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Now you lost me.
This caught my eye so I'll take a stab at it. This world we live in is temporary. When we die and go to heaven we will look back on our lives and be in awe of what a blip in time our whole lifespan was.
One thing I tend to try to think of is what have I done today that wasn't all about me and that was a sacrifice for God. Did I feed the poor, did I help anyone do something that they were unable to do? Did I set time aside to pray? You get the picture.
I look at Jesus on that cross and not one ounce of what He did was for Himself, rather it was all for us. I love sleep. Heck I cherish my naps on the weekend when I don't have my kids!!! I'd sleep 24/7 and live in my bed if I could!!! I loooooove my bed with it's soft sheets and fluffy comforter!!!
That's why I go to 4pm mass on Saturdays when I don't have my kids, BUT......when I have to wake up and go to the kids' mass at 9am I see it as a sacrafice the whole time I am getting ready. Once I'm there I could knock myself over on the head since I'm so grateful and peaceful but the act of getting there is torture to this non-morning girl!!!Each time I do something I don't want to do or I don't understand, I ask Him to give my little suffering, if you could even call it that, up for the souls in purgatory.
Again though.....I prefer the 4pm mass on Saturday with all the lil blue haired ladies.
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D'Ann
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Stormy,
Sometimes things will occur and we will not be able to attend mass. It happens to all of us at one time or another. We do the best that we can to always attend mass, but when we miss mass due to some unforetold situation, we did not sin.
If we could of made mass, but decided that we didn't want to attend mass and thus didn't... then we have sinned and then one should go to confession and share our heart with the Father of our parish.
During the week, Monday through Friday... I believe mass is only a half hour and is not the same kind of mass that we have on Saturday or Sunday.
If you have trouble making mass on Saturday night, which for most of the time counts as the same as Sunday, then attend mass on Sunday morning or night. The Sat. and Sun. Masses are a hour long because that is when the faithful should attend church and be One together in the Body of Christ. I think Paul probably explained this much better than I could.
God's Peace,
Debbie
Sometimes things will occur and we will not be able to attend mass. It happens to all of us at one time or another. We do the best that we can to always attend mass, but when we miss mass due to some unforetold situation, we did not sin.
If we could of made mass, but decided that we didn't want to attend mass and thus didn't... then we have sinned and then one should go to confession and share our heart with the Father of our parish.
During the week, Monday through Friday... I believe mass is only a half hour and is not the same kind of mass that we have on Saturday or Sunday.
If you have trouble making mass on Saturday night, which for most of the time counts as the same as Sunday, then attend mass on Sunday morning or night. The Sat. and Sun. Masses are a hour long because that is when the faithful should attend church and be One together in the Body of Christ. I think Paul probably explained this much better than I could.
God's Peace,
Debbie
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D'Ann
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sweetcaroline said:QuoteTo do something that isn't about us.
Now you lost me.
This caught my eye so I'll take a stab at it. This world we live in is temporary. When we die and go to heaven we will look back on our lives and be in awe of what a blip in time our whole lifespan was.
One thing I tend to try to think of is what have I done today that wasn't all about me and that was a sacrifice for God. Did I feed the poor, did I help anyone do something that they were unable to do? Did I set time aside to pray? You get the picture.
I look at Jesus on that cross and not one ounce of what He did was for Himself, rather it was all for us. I love sleep. Heck I cherish my naps on the weekend when I don't have my kids!!! I'd sleep 24/7 and live in my bed if I could!!! I loooooove my bed with it's soft sheets and fluffy comforter!!!
Each time I do something I don't want to do or I don't understand, I ask Him to give my little suffering, if you could even call it that, up for the souls in purgatory.
Again though.....I prefer the 4pm mass on Saturday with all the lil blue haired ladies.
Beautifully worded... I agree too. I prefer the 6pm Sunday Mass or the 5pm Saturday Mass. I'm not a morning girl either...LOL
p.s. Happy Birthday today!!!!!
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