Sumerians and the ancient Annunaki

LantanaAnna · Jun 3, 2012

I'm sorta confused because the subject keeps changing on this thread. The question was about the Annunaki. Listen you have to understand that there is so much we do not know or comprehend. The Bible is inspired by God but can't be all there is and there are big gaps in time between the books. We know that God works thru natural laws, yet we don't know what all those natural laws are.

I think there is enough evidence to believe that something else is going on. That is a very large picture I'm painting. Surely you guys have read about UFOs and what they could possibly be. Thats where I started and I prayed and thought about what I had
learned.

WinBySurrender · Jun 3, 2012

No mention of the "annunaki" in the Bible. None, Nada. Zip. Zero. Null. Void.

Next thread, please.

LantanaAnna · Jun 3, 2012

WinBySurrender said:
No mention of the "annunaki" in the Bible. None, Nada. Zip. Zero. Null. Void.

Next thread, please.

You are exactly correct. But the Bible does mention Giants, Nephilim, Fallen Angels. You see, sometimes we have to understand the meanings of what words the Prophets used. The Bible doesn't say the word Trinity either.

WinBySurrender · Jun 3, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
You are exactly correct. But the Bible does mention Giants, Nephilim, Fallen Angels. You see, sometimes we have to understand the meanings of what words the Prophets used. The Bible doesn't say the word Trinity either.

Please draw the connection between giants, Nephilim and fallen angels as clearly as triune Godhead is depicted in the Bible. You will find that the reason they are called giants, Nephilim and fallen angels is because that is who they are, and nothing more.

LantanaAnna · Jun 4, 2012

Ok, I really can't argue with you, because I don't believe in the Trinity, but I used it for a comparison because I figured you did.

I feel sure there is more, you are sure there isn't, I'm ok with that, its called free agency.

Searching For Truth · Jun 4, 2012

WinBySurrender said:
Please draw the connection between giants, Nephilim and fallen angels as clearly as triune Godhead is depicted in the Bible. You will find that the reason they are called giants, Nephilim and fallen angels is because that is who they are, and nothing more.

Can you draw a clear connection to Godhead, trinity, and Jesus? Godhead isn't in the bible trinity isn't in the bible. so how could you possibly draw a CLEAR line that refers Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost being a Godhead or being the definition of trinity if its not even mentioned in the bible???

Hupomone10 · Jun 4, 2012

I'm using justification here in the sense of justifying one's position or lifestyle. Are you "SearchingForTruth" or are you "SearchingForJustification"?

Only you can answer this.

When we find the truth, Jesus said two things about it:
1) You will know the truth,
2) and that truth will set you free.
And the object intended in that word 'free' is from sinful strongholds, as Jesus made clear two verses later.

Would you describe your recent searchings and doubts as setting you free?

John 8:32,34,36
"If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;
and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
"everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin."
"if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."

Blessings,
H.

WinBySurrender · Jun 4, 2012

Searching For Truth said:
Can you draw a clear connection to Godhead, trinity, and Jesus? Godhead isn't in the bible trinity isn't in the bible. so how could you possibly draw a CLEAR line that refers Jesus, God, and the Holy Ghost being a Godhead or being the definition of trinity if its not even mentioned in the bible???

Invalid argument. The nature of the interrelationship among God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is evident through Scripture and cannot be successfully argued against. There is no such connection among the Annanukis and the giants, Nephilim and fallen angels. I'd say "nice try", but it wasn't even that.

LantanaAnna · Jun 4, 2012

WIN, people do argue about the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But thats not what this discussion is about.

The connection I know about between the Nephilim, fallen angels is that they did exist.
The fallen angels had children with mortal women, these Children were Nephilim. These Nephilim were Giants. These Giants were mentioned in the Bible. Goliath was a Nephilim. I don't know the whole interrelated scoop but there is documentation of these facts.

Didn't you always wonder why God slew everyone in the flood except Noah and his family , even the babies and children? The babies weren't evil, but their dna had been altered.

Anyway, I don't want this to be a thread of argument, but of learning and I accept your opinion as yours. You have all the right in the world to object to my opinion until such time as it becomes openly evident.
Still friends?

WinBySurrender · Jun 4, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
WIN, people do argue about the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But thats not what this discussion is about.

They do not, however, deny their existence and their interrelationship, except for the few Oneness people you might occasionally stumble over.

LantanaAnna said:
The connection I know about between the Nephilim, fallen angels is that they did exist.

But that doesn't mean they have any connection to your fictional Annanuki.

LantanaAnna said:
The fallen angels had children with mortal women, these Children were Nephilim.

A popular view, but incorrect. Angels are spiritual beings. They cannot sexually reproduce, with their own kind and certainly not with humans. The Nephilim were fallen humans, men who before the flood fell away from faith in God and made their own way in the world.

LantanaAnna said:
These Nephilim were Giants.

Can you prove that? Simply because they are mentioned as associated with Anak, the father of the Amalekites, does not prove the Nephilim were giants. And as Anak was obviously human, the reference more closely supports my argument than yours.

LantanaAnna said:
These Giants were mentioned in the Bible. Goliath was a Nephilim.

Can you prove that? No, you cannot, because there is no Scripture to connect the two.

LantanaAnna said:
I don't know the whole interrelated scoop but there is documentation of these facts.

That's because there is none.

LantanaAnna said:
Didn't you always wonder why God slew everyone in the flood except Noah and his family , even the babies and children? The babies weren't evil, but their dna had been altered.

LantanaAnna said:
Anyway, I don't want this to be a thread of argument, but of learning and I accept your opinion as yours. You have all the right in the world to object to my opinion until such time as it becomes openly evident.
Still friends?

Of course. I just wish you wouldn't read things into God's word that aren't there.

Searching For Truth · Jun 4, 2012

WinBySurrender said:
I just wish you wouldn't read things into God's word that aren't there.

Like Godhead and trinity

Hupomone10 · Jun 4, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
The fallen angels had children with mortal women, these Children were Nephilim. These Nephilim were Giants. These Giants were mentioned in the Bible. Goliath was a Nephilim.

How is it that Goliath was a Nephilim if the flood was brought by God partly to kill them off? Goliath is post-flood. How can he be nephilim if God killed them off?

unless one stowed away on the ark...

BobRyan · Jun 4, 2012

Hupomone10 said:
How is it that Goliath was a Nephilim if the flood was brought by God partly to kill them off? Goliath is post-flood. How can he be nephilim if God killed them off?

unless one stowed away on the ark...

8 Stowed away on the ark -- Noah and all his family.

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan · Jun 4, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
I'm sorta confused because the subject keeps changing on this thread. The question was about the Annunaki.

They are the false gods of the Sumerians.

Paul talks about the true origins of false gods in 1Cor 8.

in Christ,

Bob

BobRyan · Jun 4, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
I think there is enough evidence to believe that something else is going on. That is a very large picture I'm painting. Surely you guys have read about UFOs and what they could possibly be. Thats where I started and I prayed and thought about what I had learned.

God "Created the Worlds" according to Hebrews 1:1-7 and Hebrews 11:1-3. That much fits the UFO story.

But He created them all sinless - they are in perfect open communion with God and are not taking little trips out here to visit with "the god of this world" 1Cor 4:4.

Amidst all the other items you will find in this 8 minute clip - is one very important one at the 3 minute point.

5 informed opinions about the UFO / ALIEN DECEPTION - YouTube

That agenda has been known for many decades as it turns out.

in Christ,

Bob

His_disciple3 · Jun 4, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
Ok, I really can't argue with you, because I don't believe in the Trinity, but I used it for a comparison because I figured you did.

I feel sure there is more, you are sure there isn't, I'm ok with that, its called free agency.

how do you claim to be a christian and not believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

His_disciple3 · Jun 4, 2012

Searching For Truth said:
Well I think we have come to a point were its better to agree to disagree. Doesn't mean I believe you are right or wrong just that I don't agree but not making myself right or wrong. But let me show my point WITHOUT MISQUOTING scripture.

"if Jesus of the scriptures is your Saviour, He forgave you of your sins, then He is God"

Hebrews 7:22-25

King James Version (KJV)

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Here in verse 25 it says and I quote " he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him " So He(Jesus) is able ALSO to save. so what does that mean? that there is already One who can save now Jesus ALSO can save. Why can he ALSO save? And I Quote "that come unto God by him" Not because He is God but because they came unto God BY Him(Jesus) 2 separate beings. And how can this be possible? again and I quote "seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them" Jesus is our intercessor. No man get to the father but through Him. That is not to say that God can not forgive sins but that Jesus ALSO can forgive anyone who comes to God through Jesus. So you cant say I believe in Jesus alone and he can save you NO you must Believe in God and come to Him through Believing in Jesus and His sacrifice so that he could be an intercessor for mankind who had fallen away. Because mankind has fallen away we can not go straight to God and ask for forgiveness, we are not worthy therefor Jesus says NO MAN can get to the Father but by Me(Jesus) otherwise what he did was unnecessary.

(I have already shown you and most everybody else in here has shown you From scriptures that Jesus is God)

I disagree what you have shown me is your interpretation of scripture to fit your Idea that Jesus is God. I believe Ive shown numerous times by QUOTING scripture, not giving my interpretation were Jesus denies being God and several examples of His separate being.

(yet you deny scriptures and quote the ones you want to quote trying to take away the deity of Your so called lord and saviour)

I deny your interpretation of the scripture. How could there be verses in the bible that take away the deity of Jesus??? I quote KJV bible that's it.

(you said that anyone can be almighty. God = ALMIGHTY, you or me can not be ALMIGHTY. You may be mighty but only God is ALMIGHTY!)

You are correct here and I admit I was WRONG only God is Almighty by Abrahamic religion.

(I have tried to explain that the verses you use to tear down your so called lord and saviour, are verses while He was with the Flesh. 100% man and 100% God)

Show me in the bible were it says Jesus is 100% God 100% human and I will believe the bible depending on who said it. But I dont have to believe your interpretations once again...

(yet God enough to feed the 5 thousand men ( not counting the women and children))

I think you are misunderstood here. Jesus may have physically been the one to do this miracle but the miracle came from God.

John 5:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

These are Jesus word from His own mouth and I quote "I can of mine own self do nothing". So now I ask you, Who feed 5000 men plus women and children???

This 100% God 100% man your teaching is NOT in the bible!!! There is only ONE Almighty God and he is 100% God!!!

what part of Him being in the flesh, God manifested in the Flesh don't you understand, He can't do anything of Himself, for there is two other beings of the Godhead,..

HERE LET ME ShOW YOU ONCE AGAIN< The scriptures and Jesus said that He is God:

Revelation 1:5-8
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty
KJV

LantanaAnna · Jun 4, 2012

Hupomone10 said:
How is it that Goliath was a Nephilim if the flood was brought by God partly to kill them off? Goliath is post-flood. How can he be nephilim if God killed them off?

unless one stowed away on the ark...

good question. I'm thinking some of Noah's daughters in law had Nephilim dna.
It was a widespread problem in those days. Nephilim exist today, they aren't giants anymore.

I find it hard to believe so few have read up on the Nephilm and their part in the end times of this world. Remember it shall be as in Noah's time. It wasn't just sin in Noah's time, it was also corruption of human dna. That is happening now whether you know it or not. But, I shall hush because I guess I'm not explaining this clearly enough.

Hupomone10 · Jun 5, 2012

LantanaAnna said:
good question. I'm thinking some of Noah's daughters in law had Nephilim dna.
It was a widespread problem in those days. Nephilim exist today, they aren't giants anymore.

I don't know. There are some pretty tall basketball players today!

I find it hard to believe so few have read up on the Nephilm and their part in the end times of this world. Remember it shall be as in Noah's time. It wasn't just sin in Noah's time, it was also corruption of human dna. That is happening now whether you know it or not. But, I shall hush because I guess I'm not explaining this clearly enough.

Ok. Assuming there are nephilim and the human race's dna is corrupted: What do you do with that knowledge; how does it help you in living the Christian life?

WinBySurrender · Jun 5, 2012

Searching For Truth said:
Like Godhead and trinity

You obviously didn't read the post very well. I said "things" that aren't there, not words. The Annanuki aren't there, and neither are space aliens or any other weird distraction from God's word.

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