Hey AV1611, if you happen to read my thread here, can you please explain to me how Nimrod was the creator of the Sumerian empire? The bible doesn't seen to give me this information, but I've seen you defend this position several times. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. I did some research and didn't find anything related on this, except that he was "Gilagmesh". I have no clue. Anyone want to take up on this?
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Sumerian is much older than the biblical Flood
- Thread starter guyfriendly
- Start date
- Apr 22, 2016
- 919
- 233
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Constitution
For some reason people have the story of Gilagmesh, but Nimrod is of the Bible. I would think, because we have any works of the Sumerians they were from after the flood. Sumerians would not have been known before the flood. Frankly neither the Egyptians, which were also after the flood, but it is to be suggested those pyramids, even all over the world were from before the flood.
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
According to Sumeria's own story, they were "re-created" after the flood.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
People like to claim that every nation on Earth wrote about the Flood; but if you study the stories, they differ tremendously from what Noah wrote.
Upvote
0
- Oct 17, 2015
- 15,722
- 16,445
- 82
- Country
- Canada
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Unorthodox
- Marital Status
- Married
There were two large scale floods in the ancient mid-east that might be the basis of the flood mythologies from that region. Both were associated with rising sea levels as the ice sheets and glaciers melted at the end of the last ice age. They were the flooding of the Gulf of Arabia about 10,000 BP and the flooding of the Black Sea basin about 7600 BP. There is no evidence for any other large scale flood in that area more recently. There is also no evidence for a world-wide flood at any time in human history.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
They do indeed. It's interesting to try to guess who borrowed from whom. Similar research is done by ethnologists in many fields, mythology, engineering, farming techniques, music, etc. It's a great way to trace migrations and relationships among people. The Genesis passage you quoted earlier gives us a start.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
Given that Shem lived right up until the time of Jacob, I would say he provided an eyewitness I-was-there account of what really happened.
More than enough time for plagiarists to be busted.
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
The Talmud says Arphaxad is the guy who went there to "re-create" the Sumerians.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
1. God told Adam to spread out and replenish the world; so I don't think he and his offspring hung around the Garden ... and remember: the earth was one giant supercontinent at the time.
2. The New Jersey Pine Barrens.
3. It pwns the story of a local flood.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
I somehow doubt Arphaxad could even find Sumeria after the Flood.
But even if he could, how does that answer the question in the OP about who created (not recreated) the Sumerian empire?
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Nimrod is after Noah. Sumeria existed before, so Genesis must be referring to re-creation in discussing Nimrod's contribution. That makes it a committee. Different folks doing different things at the same historical time.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
Yup.
No, it didn't.Ken Behrens said:
It says ...
Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
History proves it did. Read the Genesis verse that he went and established a kingdom in a place where there had been an earlier one.
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,059
- 52,633
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
Is this the same history that says there was a race of Homos on the earth before Adam came along?
Let me get this straight.Ken Behrens said:
Are you saying Sumeria existed before the Flood, then got wiped out, then Noah's great grandson recreated Sumeria, wherein came the Epic of Gilgamesh?
Here's a fictional conversation I put together once, that I think is pretty accurate:
Shem: What's this trash you wrote, Nimrod; are you okay!?
Nimrod: Don't start on me again, uncle; you've always looked down on us Hamites.
Shem: That's garbage too! You used to be a mighty hunter before the LORD, what went wrong?
Nimrod: You think you Shemites are so much better than us, just because my grandfather was cursed for what his father did to your father in that tent that day.
Shem: I watched you grow up, Nimrod, and how you used to love the LORD so much; but somewhere along the line you went astray and broke away from the rest of us and went and formed your own little empire. Well ... you do what you want, but as long as I live, I'll make sure my eyewitness testimony trumps your lies.
Nimrod: And what makes you an authority on the Flood over me?
Shem: I was there! Remember??? I was on the Ark ... you weren't!
Nimrod: Oh, that's right ... somehow I forgot ... what with there being no evidence and all.
Shem: [facepalms]
Upvote
0
Ken Behrens
Well-Known Member
- Sep 5, 2016
- 1,494
- 417
- 77
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
No it is not. It is straight history that starts in about 3200BC when people began to write stories down enough that we can read them. It is also consistent with the Bible.
If you accept the archeological finds from Sumer, writing is actually the product of the sheep bowls and subsequent tokens, a project that started before the flood, and resumed after.
It may or may not be germane to the argument, but only the OT says everything was "struck" (not "destroyed") by the flood. Hebrew is not a logical language, and "every" (kol) does not mean every (without exception anywhere) as it does in English. But, in Greek, where it does, the NT does not say that only 8 people survived. It is completely consistent that a lot of people survived the flood, and this is what Sumerian history (and many others) say.
I kept the part about writing trash, because writing was not developed for a couple centuries after the flood. While Nimrod could have lived long enough, it is doubtful that he did long enough to have anything like verbs and adverbs to work with, and certainly not logical quantifiers like we use today.
And I have no idea if Nimrod is Gilgamesh. The story of Gilgamesh may also be a story from before the flood, and symbolic in nature. Remember, these epics were staged once a year, and attendance was mandatory. Kind of a civics lesson.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
