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There are huge, huge benefits to suffering you only see
later.


Hardly. Most people don't bounce back from suffering the worst the world has to offer. A lot of people don't survive it, and many who do are damaged for life. Consider how PTSD affects war veterans, rape victims, and other people that have gone through traumatic experiences. That hardship often turns people on a path to productive lives into a complete ruin of what they once were.
 
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Uhm.... I think it is in my best interest to not keep talking to you about this.
 
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I get that you were in a lot of pain and it was probably pretty awful...but I'm sure you can imagine that there are things that are a lot worse and without any relief in sight, people give up.
 
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I get that you were in a lot of pain and it was probably pretty awful...but I'm sure you can imagine that there are things that are a lot worse and without any relief in sight, people give up.


Yes, I do know. I had given up myself---I didn't try to kill myself this time, but I just gave up and quite caring about anything, all I could pray for was death to end the pain, that is when this person paid for me to go on the MMJ and that eased the pain enough where I could think and come back to myself. It is not death that people really want--it is just to end the pain whether it be physical or emotional. I just plain was exhausted, not depressed, just tired, bone tired of coping with the pain and taking the max of my pain pills. Yes, I do understand. At that point all I could do was ask God to either help me or take me---He helped me.
 
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Sorry---I do not understand? You were not joking??

no i wasn't joking, I don't want to keep talking to you about how gods that just let children be raped over and over are somehow our hope in this dreadful world and that people who should hope in this god that obviously don't feel like preventing them from being raped and killed.
 
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The best remedy for pain is to remove the word "I"
from your thoughts, and any words with similar ideas.
 
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OK---then travel the road without Him. It's hopeless and without much peace or comfort, but if that is your choice. He doesn't force. He is still there, same place He was when He had to watch His own Son suffer and die for your sins. The price has been paid for you already, whether you take it or not is up to you. Bad things are going to happen, that is this world for now. You can not protect your children from the evil that others choose to follow. It is sad that you choose to not give them the hope and fellowship with the God who brought them life, but maybe they will find Him on their own without you, but that will make them sad. I wasted many years being angry at God for what I had to go through, but it was my father's choice how he was going to live his life, God does not force us to do the right thing. I chose mine, and am glad I did. And when all is said and done, I will still have eternal life with Him in a remade earth and whatever I've gone through, the price will have been cheap enough, and I won't even remember it anyway. Bye.
 
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Atheists don't believe any of that is true, since they have no evidence that it's true.
 
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Different for everybody---there comes a time when your heart and mind are open to Him when He knocks at the door to your heart. For some it's gradual, for some all of a sudden---it's like love. It is love. He is where love originates. One day you look into the eyes of someone and that is it, for others, you may have been around the person for years and never noticed then when you slowly get to realize they are there and it develops. Can you explain love, can you prove it exists--Only by the experience of those who have had it, and the change in the individual.
 
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Can you explain love, can you prove it exists--Only by the experience of those who have had it, and the change in the individual.

Not really the best example. Love is a description of an emotion, demonstrable chemical reactions in the brain. It shows up on brain scans. But love really isn't a thing, in the sense that an apple is a thing.

So are gods just description of emotions in the brain?
 
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I've been through similar stuff. Pain never made me give up belief in God. Question why God allows it to happen? Sure, but I never felt it was evidence that God didn't exist.

I've also known people that have subject to severe abuse or trauma. With a lot of love, those people recover. Their lives are not ruined. I think helping people is far better than what countries like the Netherlands do, which is to tell people its hopeless and help them die.
 
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Can't answer that one, I know there re changes in the brain. Scans done before and after can be different, but I can't remember just exactly how. Yes, love is an emotion, however, it goes beyond an emotion, once the "honeymoon" phase is over. Loving God is at that level, not the giddy emotional jump up and down hysteria some people insist on having. It's a deep commitment and brings peace.
 
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I honestly have no interest in the god you've made up for yourself. I may be a lone someday but my life will still never be as miserable as yours has been. Your god would be no benefit to me even if it did actually exist.
 
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