Suicide

[OldWiseGuy]

Suicide is no more troublesome than those who wish to die but are kept alive by unwanted medical interventions at the urging of family and doctors.

 

[nightflight]

The purpose of life is not wealth and health.
I know many who have neither.

Yes, but being without those can make one miserable. And there is no reason live in misery.

 

[quatona]

The purpose of life is not wealth and health.
I know many who have neither.

So far you haven´t even established that there is a purpose of life. Many people aren´t convinced there is such a thing.
I don´t think you are in the position to tell others what their purpose in life is or isn´t.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I can't answer for the atheist--they do not think they answer to anyone.

Nope - you can't answer for the atheist because you don't know what he/she answers to, you just know it isn't a god or gods.

 

[SkyWriting]

So far you haven´t even established that there is a purpose of life. Many people aren´t convinced there is such a thing.
I don´t think you are in the position to tell others what their purpose in life is or isn´t.

Logically, people in poor health and high poverty would have
higher rates of suicide. Have you established this, or are
you not using logic at all in this argument?

 

[SkyWriting]

So far you haven´t even established that there is a purpose of life. Many people aren´t convinced there is such a thing.
I don´t think you are in the position to tell others what their purpose in life is or isn´t.

it's been said that "logically" poor people have higher suicide rates.
It this true or false?

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, but being without those can make one miserable. And there is no reason live in misery.

There are huge, huge benefits to suffering you only see
later.

 

[SkyWriting]

If you're in intense pain, and there's no medical relief, then there's nothing illogical at all about suicide. Life isn't about length, it's about quality.

Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.

Job 30:17 The night racks my bones, and the pain that gnaws me takes no rest.


1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.

 

[quatona]

Logically, people in poor health and high poverty would have
higher rates of suicide. Have you established this, or are
you not using logic at all in this argument?

I don´t even know how your response addresses my statement.

 

[quatona]

it's been said that "logically" poor people have higher suicide rates.

Where? When? By whom?

 

[mmksparbud]

Nope - you can't answer for the atheist because you don't know what he/she answers to, you just know it isn't a god or gods.

That is what I said--isn't it?

 

[SkyWriting]

I disagree. I think if a person is a certain age, is facing illness and poverty, suicide is very rational.

People who irrationally compare their circumstances with others
are the highest risk group. So you are the big winner!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That is what I said--isn't it?

No; you said, "they do not think they answer to anyone" (my italics). In fact, you only know they don't answer to deities.

 

[Chris B]

There are huge, huge benefits to suffering you only see
later.

Possibly, if you survive. Or, on the Christian model, if you are in heaven.
(Any way I reckon it, I won't be.)

Having been matched to two new negative makers for my life expectancy recently, and being in pain, I'm not sure what these "huge, huge benefits" are supposed to be.

Chris

 

[SkyWriting]

Possibly, if you survive. Or, on the Christian model, if you are in heaven.
(Any way I reckon it, I won't be.)

Having been matched to two new negative makers for my life expectancy recently, and being in pain, I'm not sure what these "huge, huge benefits" are supposed to be.
Chris

You never know until after. It helps if you look for the benefits, and you fail when you don't.

 

[Chesterton]

One of my favorite reasons for not killing yourself is not having to learn Irish : http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/view/brattson-thinking-about-suicide

 

[SkyWriting]

Having been matched to two new negative makers for my life expectancy recently, and being in pain, I'm not sure what these "huge, huge benefits" are supposed to be.

Live and learn?
Your decision.

 

[Chris B]

"I'm not sure what these "huge, huge benefits" are supposed to be."
Chris

You never know until after. It helps if you look for the benefits, and you fail when you don't.

Some suggestions might be nice.
Though I did manage to reduce a nurse to tears of laughter today. I call that a win.

 

[Chris B]

Live and learn?
Your decision.

I'll live until I don't.
Learning is getting tricky.
(I live with a thousand friends who are losing their ability to communicate with me.)
I'd prefer to be able to use what I've already learned, to help others.

 

[nightflight]

People who irrationally compare their circumstances with others
are the highest risk group. So you are the big winner!

That made no sense.