Suicide???

[backward in time]

Hi yall,
this is my question....
Jesus promises never to forsake us right? and his spirit (the holy spirit) is in us when we accept him as our lord and savior right? and when we die that spirit goes to heaven right? ....so how does this change when you commit suicide? .....y would your spirit not go to heaven if jesus promises he wont forsake us.

food for thought,
Backward in time

 

[Rafael]

The problem is always us forsaking Him.

 

[LovingMother]

Backward in time, your message does concern me. Are you feeling that you might want to commit suicide? I went through a number of years when I was suicidal for a number of reasons. What helped me was to remember that there is a reason and purpose for everything that happens, even if it doesn't seem right to us. Here is a poem that helped me through the death of my mother, the torment from my step mother, and a number of other trials in my life. I hope it touches your heart, as well, and, if you are feeling low, please know that things do really get better if you hold on to God's saving grace and trust in Him!

Lifes Weaving

My life is but a weaving between my God and me;
I may not choose the colors, He knows what they should be.
For He can view the pattern upon the upper side,
While I can see it only on this the under side.

Sometimes He weaveth sorrow, which seemeth strange to me;
But I will trust His judgement, and work on faithfully;
Tis He who fills the shuttle, He knows just what is best;
So I shall weave in earnest, and leave Him with the rest.

At last when life is ended, with Him I shall abide,
Then I may view the pattern upon the upper side;
Then I shall know the reason why pain with joy entwined;
Was woven in the pattern of life that God designed.

 

[d0c markus]

My question is Would a Christian commit suicide. If we are a christian we entrust our life and its happiness to the lord 150% If we do not trust in him our lives fully we are not saved.

 

[backward in time]

hello,
Loving Mother - please dont worry. i did attempt suicide but have no plans to commit suicide now.
Doc Marcus - my plans to commit suicide were not because i did not trust God and yes i was christian and saved.....i asked this question becuase i was just wondering. lol
God bless,
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[d0c markus]

If you trusted God you would have asked him to handle the situation and guide you out of it. Which since your still alive I trust you did or i hope you did. But since you tried to kill yourself you werent trusting him in that moment.

But anyways Im Glad your OK, and I am Glad that your saved. Please dont be offended by what i say, im somewhat direct and since its a sin to lie i wont do that either to appease anyone. As my sister in christ i love ya, and if my msg is without that its not my aim, i just dont know how to word it.

 

[OnederWoman]

I would say... there are some Christians that might commit suicide... but I would think there would be a underlying medical reason.... like the person having a condition like a mental illness, such as bi-polar disorder. I think God knows when someone does something due to mental illness when if they were healthy mentally, they would never do that. Why wouldn't God heal that person of the mental illness before it went that far? I cannot answer that. ONly God knows, but His ways, not matter what our perspective is, are always perfect.

 

[d0c markus]

I would say... there are some Christians that might commit suicide... but I would think there would be a underlying medical reason.... like the person having a condition like a mental illness, such as bi-polar disorder. I think God knows when someone does something due to mental illness when if they were healthy mentally, they would never do that. Why wouldn't God heal that person of the mental illness before it went that far? I cannot answer that. ONly God knows, but His ways, not matter what our perspective is, are always perfect.

Im glad we were able to talk(backward in time). and people should be pointed to matthew 25:14-30 the parable of the talents about trusting god. As for the mentally ill i dont know; his will be done no matter what it is. Prayin for ya

 

[LovingMother]

Glad to hear that you aren't planning anything. I'll keep you in my prayers.

 

[FOMWatts<><]

Hello, I think I might have some good insight on this one. My dad commited suicide in July of this year and I would have to say that I have dug in pretty hard on the issue, not for defense of my dad, but because I want to truly know what I believe on the issue.

My dad was a godly man of integrity and he always trusted God fully in every situation. He did struggle mind you and was not flawless by any means. He was a good man though and he loved Jesus very much and lead all of his children to have that same love and trust in our Lord and Saviour. He was diagnosed with clinical depression due to the loss of his father and trouble at work along with a mudslide of events in our families life.

The only example of anything close to this is Sampson, when he pulled the pillars on top of himsefl as well as the rest of those peopel that were God's enemies, and I'm not sure that would relate to the issue of "suicide", but anywho.

When God created us, He knew everything about us (Psalms 139). He knew the words before they left our mouths, he knew when we would get up and sit down, he knew if we would choose Him or not, HE KNEW EVERYTHING about us. He knew my dad would commit suicide. He also knew my dad's heart and mind better than anyone else. I can not tell you whether or not people that commit suicide go to heaven or hell, but I can tell you that I believe 100% that my daddio will be in heaven with the God he served for 56 years when I get there. I believe that not only because of my heart, but because of my studies of the Bible and what it says about salvation and what our "requirements" are to be with God one day. My dad fulfilled those requirements a looooong time ago. MY dad lost hope due to the sinful world he lived in as a man of integrity, he lost hope not because he didn't trust God, but because his mind was clouded by the smoke of this world for a moment too long. No one can say that a person that loses hope is not a Christian, and I laugh at one that does. We go through hopeless situations all the time along our life's path, and we have a Savior to rely on, but we all have bottoms that we have to climb out of, and some are deeper than others. Some fall before they reach the top, but I am confident that an act commited by a person is not a suprise to our all knowing God and Savior and He knows our hearts and our minds.

This is just what I have come to believe as a student of my God. If you do not agree, I challenge you to study the "requirements" of salvation found in the Bible, and also the depth of God's knowledge about His people.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><

 

[d0c markus]

Hello, I think I might have some good insight on this one. My dad commited suicide in July of this year and I would have to say that I have dug in pretty hard on the issue, not for defense of my dad, but because I want to truly know what I believe on the issue.

My dad was a godly man of integrity and he always trusted God fully in every situation. He did struggle mind you and was not flawless by any means. He was a good man though and he loved Jesus very much and lead all of his children to have that same love and trust in our Lord and Saviour. He was diagnosed with clinical depression due to the loss of his father and trouble at work along with a mudslide of events in our families life.

The only example of anything close to this is Sampson, when he pulled the pillars on top of himsefl as well as the rest of those peopel that were God's enemies, and I'm not sure that would relate to the issue of "suicide", but anywho.

When God created us, He knew everything about us (Psalms 139). He knew the words before they left our mouths, he knew when we would get up and sit down, he knew if we would choose Him or not, HE KNEW EVERYTHING about us. He knew my dad would commit suicide. He also knew my dad's heart and mind better than anyone else. I can not tell you whether or not people that commit suicide go to heaven or hell, but I can tell you that I believe 100% that my daddio will be in heaven with the God he served for 56 years when I get there. I believe that not only because of my heart, but because of my studies of the Bible and what it says about salvation and what our "requirements" are to be with God one day. My dad fulfilled those requirements a looooong time ago. MY dad lost hope due to the sinful world he lived in as a man of integrity, he lost hope not because he didn't trust God, but because his mind was clouded by the smoke of this world for a moment too long. No one can say that a person that loses hope is not a Christian, and I laugh at one that does. We go through hopeless situations all the time along our life's path, and we have a Savior to rely on, but we all have bottoms that we have to climb out of, and some are deeper than others. Some fall before they reach the top, but I am confident that an act commited by a person is not a suprise to our all knowing God and Savior and He knows our hearts and our minds.

This is just what I have come to believe as a student of my God. If you do not agree, I challenge you to study the "requirements" of salvation found in the Bible, and also the depth of God's knowledge about His people.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><

 

[FOMWatts<><]

Do you not agree? I mean it is okay if you do not, I am a well educated student, and I am always willing to learn. I promise not to take offense because I am fairly confident of my studies and your input would only add to or take away from my beliefs.

Keep in mind though, if you haven't studied that there MAY be some sensitive eyes reading this, so speak tenderly for our brothers and sisters.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><

 

[jayswife29]

Nice post FOM....nice poem Loving Mother... thank you for sharing those words with us, they might just be the thing to keep one person from going over the friggin edge. And yes FOM, there are no doubt sensitive eyes reading( or will read) this thread, and telling people they have lost faith in God isn't helping anyone trust anyone. When people are looking for advice or encouragement, thats exactly what they need, not to be told they're wrong, or faithless.

 

[LovingMother]

I don't think moments of weakness in our lives define moments of faithlessness. I think many of us are raised to feel responsibility for our lives and we forget to give our burdens to God and we become overwhelmed. These are moments when we are not foresaken, but when we forget to ask for help. We all go through phases in which we feel that we can do it all and demand to be allowed to do it just to be overwhelmed in the end.

 

[lands21]

Well put FOM. Though I do believe committing suicide is a sin, I do not think it "disqualifies" us from salvation any more then all the other sins we commit daily.

 

[d0c markus]

Do you not agree? I mean it is okay if you do not, I am a well educated student, and I am always willing to learn. I promise not to take offense because I am fairly confident of my studies and your input would only add to or take away from my beliefs.

Keep in mind though, if you haven't studied that there MAY be some sensitive eyes reading this, so speak tenderly for our brothers and sisters.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><

I didnt want to say anything because your content with what your conclusions have drawn and i didnt want to stir up anything negative. But Consider these verses.

LK 9:57 As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go."

LK 9:58 Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

LK 9:59 He said to another man, "Follow me."

But the man replied, "Lord, first let me go and burymyfather."

LK 9:60 Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."

LK 9:61 Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."

LK 9:62 Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."

Now you said

"My dad was a godly man of integrity and he always trusted God fully in every situation. He did struggle mind you and was not flawless by any means. He was a good man though and he loved Jesus very much and lead all of his children to have that same love and trust in our Lord and Saviour. He was diagnosed with clinical depression due to the loss of his father and trouble at work along with a mudslide of events in our families life. "

I applaud your dad for leading your family to the lord i think that is great.

But i think your dads situation relates back to what jesus was saying. Your Dad could not let go of his fathers death and the "mudslide of events" in your familys life detered him away from what needs to be an undeviating walk with Christ.

His inability to let the dead go, and put christ before you, your mom, and everything else resulted in his fall. Just like the man who told jesus first im gonna go say goodbye to my family, he could not say goodbye to his own distractions. My friend, i know of what the requirements of salvation are but there are things that require a life of faith and a life of trust in god, to handle these situations.

Look at verse 62, no one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of god. We either trust Christ 100% with our lives or we dont. 92% doesnt cut it, because 8% of us is looking back. I think your dad looked at suicide and saw an easy way out, he lost his faith in christ to handle his problems.

I dunno how to put this, i want to write it better because i know its more connected in my head you know, im having trouble conveying my thoughts. I hope im wrong, i want your dad to be in heaven as much as you do, but aside from salvation there is a life of faith to be lived, and our lives will come to an end on his time not on ours. Also look at Job, all the bad things that happened to him, his faith never deviated, God put him back together again, in his own time. And Jesus himself never took an easy way out, it wasnt god's plan for him to be rescued from the cross.

Sincerely and Sadly

Mark

 

[FOMWatts<><]

Don't be sad man, I don't take offense. I would never say that my dad took the right path or made the right decision, but what I am saying is that not you, not me, not my dad, not anyone on this earth has 100% faith. God gives each man a "measure" of faith. We are human, and in that we are faulted with something called the flesh and something called SIN. It is an evil tactic carried out by our enemy the devil. My dad was showing a lack of faith, but that lack of faith was not in God or Jesus.

Would you say that you never worry or feel anxious about ANYTHING in your life? If you can honestly say that I commend you, for you are the only man on this earth able to carry that out. I'll tell you quite quickly that my dad didn't put anything before Christ, me, my sisters, and my mom. He saw this as a way to take care of us. It was a dumb view, but it is what he was thinking at the time. Depression is a powerful tool of our enemy, and we as Christians are not exempt from the battle with him. We do have a helper, but there WILL be times when we do not lean on Him as we should. This because we are HUMAN. Sad, but true.

I sympathize with you on putting thoughts into words, it is hard, especially with touchy subjects. Know that you can not offend me because I have solid beliefs and faith in the Lord, and I am a student learning constantly in His world. If you have something that you think may be offensive to some you may PM me about it. Realize also that it is our belief in Jesus that grants us God's mercy and salvation, not our actions here on earth, for we are counted righteous in Christ Jesus our Lord, sanctified by His blood. Though we fall, we are faultless because of Him.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><

 

[rjohnsonbfw]

I have been to that edge before and had a suicide attempt. I was in a severe depression and when I thought I couldn't take it anymore I tried to end my life. Fortunately for me God had a different plan for my life. At the time of my attempt I was not a Christian. I had grown up in church and heard all the stories but I was unwilling to yeild my life my Lord. That was a little over 2 years ago. It is absolutely amazing the conversion I had from near death to eternal life. I'm am so grateful that He saw it fit to allow me to continue my life when I tried to take away the very thing Christ came to save.


With that said, I do not feel that a saved person who commits suicide was never saved. We all struggle, I know I struggle constantly to live a sin free life, but I will never be free from sin. The only unforgivable sin that I know of is blasephemy against the Holy Spirit (Matt 5:31-32) which is impossible to do after coming to a saving knowledge of Christ. The only one that can ever judge us is Christ and until we get to heaven none of us will know the true answer to this question, but lets not do the judging that Christ paid all to high a price to do himself.

 

[d0c markus]

until we get to heaven none of us will know the true answer to this question, but lets not do the judging that Christ paid all to high a price to do himself.

Very True. FOM I havent studied much on suicide but i am glad that your faith is strong. You are right when you say i am not free from anxiety, man would that be great!

In any case, me and you are in agreement that the Lord is Just, and that he is merciful, and im content with leaving the decision up to him, which i think is for the best, for some obvious reasons.

I read an article a while back...let me find it...

Here it is, http://www.christiancourier.com/questions/suicideQuestion.htm its short and interesting. Tell me what you think.

Marko

 

[FOMWatts<><]

It's an interesting article, but it starts off with a false statement. Sampson committed suicide and he was looked very favorably upon. Besides that I agree with the article, we will be "responsible" for the sin that we leave unconfessed and clearly suicide can not be confessed due to its permanance. The question then becomes does our sin label us unsaved creatures. I interpret from scripture that it does not. By GRACE we are saved through FAITH in Jesus Christ and in His redeeming blood and ressurection. Your next thought would then be how could someoen that believes that commit suicide, and my responce is that even though we are Christians, we will still fall short of the glory of God. We will still mess up. God's view of sin is a broad view. ALL sin separates us from Him that is Holy, but Jesus Christ is the bridge for that gap, no matter what is in the gap, Jesus is the bridge. I'm not in any sense of the discussion condoning suicide or my dad's actions, but merely stating that Christians are in a great battle over there own mind and heart and just because we fall does not mean that we have fallen out of God's reach.

Blessings,

FOMWatts<><