Suicide

[Amanda06]

Dont worry about it Amanda. That was a very insensitive thing to say and deserves no response.
God bless you,

Thank you Pastor J. I am relatively new to the word of God. I am saved and I have been baptized in the holy spirit with gift of tounges. But I am just starting out trying to learn and understand Gods word. And to be honest it is very difficult. I can read whole chapters and then think "what did I just read?" So I get on here to see how others interpret it. It is a long process!

 

[J4Jesus]

There have been many times in my life where I had contemplated suicide, but just the mere uncertainty of where people go who kill themselves was always enough to cause me to want to stick it out here.

----They go to hell. Don't do it.

When I was 16, before I knew how to meet God, I wanted to commit suicide. But, something in me said if I did, I would go to hell. And that is what kept me from doing it, fear of hell. Maybe fear isn't a good thing, but it saved my life, and now I preach the gospel and want to live.

...... You really want to take that chance?? .

Genesis 20:13You shall not commit murder.

I believe that mean ANY person.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Blasphemy was mentioned as the only thing that is unforgiveable. But this verse says "IF ." There's a condition here....IF you confess your sins you are forgiven, so IF you dont you aren't or this verse would not be in the Bible. There is a difference in deliberately doing wrong and making a mistake or failing in some ways. Suicide is a willful thing not an accident. I cannot believe anyone could think suicide is not wrong. And if a person commited suicide they can't repent. Sure in the last seconds perhaps they had a chance to repent but that doesnt neccesarily happen too often. Dont count on being able to. I dont think they would usually be sorry enough that they wished they hadn't done it, which is what true repentance is. It could possibly happen .

All fear is not bad. You can a healthy fear of some things also. For instance it can save your life by not standing out in the middle of traffic or jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. And it can keep you out of hell.

There is too much at risk to comtemplate suicide since where you go after death is forever. If they think they are suffering here and can't stand what they are going thru, we need to help them realize if they do this the suffering could be thousands of times worse and that is forever. I would not say if you ever were saved before and committed suicide you would go to heaven. Those who think so, what if you happen to be wrong? Think about it.

Who knows everything? Who knows for sure? Hell is forever but you can escape it. To say they can do this and go to heaven in my opinion is encouraging them to do so. I am not saying try to scare them but IMO they should be made aware of this possiblity.

Many times they tell someone because they really DONT want to die or they would just go ahead and do it without saying anything. They are crying out for help looking for a solution for the reason they feel they can't go on this way. Get them spiritual, and professional help. Sometimes its a physicial problem and there may be medical help. I have known of cases like this when depression and despondency got so bad.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Now before you jump all over me, I have felt the sadness of someone close committing suicide, and the hardest part i found was that a front that they put on made them seem alright, also I still wonder why they never felt they could talk with anyone.

But to put a different spin on the thread does suicide fall into the realms of murder and therefore break one of the ten commandments, I sure I've heard this argument used.

Personally I don't believe it does, and IMO any one who commits suicide is a brave and very depressed person.

anyone who commits suicide is brave??? I strongly disagree. Suicide is the cowards way out, and it is abortion. Ppl preach its' wrong to abort ones child, but it's just as wrong to abort ones own life.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Brave? I dont think so. Whats brave is the many people who overcame their suicidal temptations and fought to stay alive until their situations changed. That my friend is brave.

That, I agree with.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

King Saul committed suicide but the bible says he is in heaven.

There is only one sin that is unforgivable, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit i.e when the Holy SPirit convicts a person of sin and righteousness and of the need for salvation in Jesus Christ and the person treats the Holy Spirit's gentle and loving invitations like dirt. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

Matthew 12:31 NIV
And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

There is only one sin that can take someone to a lost eternity: rejection of salvation through Jesus, brought to us by the SPirit.

Jesus wasn't around in King Saul's day. That doesnt' prove anything. They got away with having 300 wifes in those days too. They got away with murder.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

If they reject Jesus as saviour. Even some Christians reject Jesus as lord, that means when Jesus returns they will be in his Kingdom in Jerusalem with red embarressed faces.

No, they will be told, I never knew you, depart from me.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Many people who commit suicide are mentally ill. Even Christians suffer from those things.
My son cut his wrist threatening suicide, he was mentally ill and severely depressed, yet he is a Christian.

My posts aren't talking about someone who doesn't know what they are doing. To do something willfully, you have to be aware of what you're doing. But, if someone is only using the excuse of mental illness so they can commit suicide, it wont' wash. If someone is being convicted of thinking about committing suicide, they aren't mentally ill to the extent they will get away with that sort of thinking.

 

[msbojingles]

Deuteronomy 30:19-29

19-20 I call Heaven and Earth to witness against you today: I place before you Life and Death, Blessing and Curse. Choose life so that you and your children will live. And love God, your God, listening obediently to him, firmly embracing him.

I know that's not specifically about suicide, however, we see all through the Scriptures that God is a person of principle. He wouldn't tell us to choose life for one thing, and choose death for another. If He says to choose life, then it goes without saying that we should apply that to all of our decisions.

I haven't met anyone that's committed suicide and come back to tell us how it went, and because the Bible is so silent on the issue, it's probably not something to tamper with.

The county I grew up in at one point had the highest rate per/capita of suicides in the lower 48 states. Fortunately they've taken measures to offer counseling in the school systems and many not-for-profit organizations have stepped up to the plate to change the status-quo. But I have personally known 4 people who have committed suicide - one went to my church! - and as much as I'd like to believe and tell people that they went to heaven, the truth is, I don't know, but one thing I do know, is that they didn't choose life, and that God is just and full of mercy.

Another thing we can deduce for sure from scripture is that we ought to lift one another up, and encourage each other to choose life in all circumstances. Therefore choose life!

 

[Optimax]

I do not know.



When we are ministering to a person that is suicidal, there is always a demonic issue to deal with. A person that commits suicide has lost hope and has gone thru a process to arrive there. Heavy depression is the last stage.

The spirit of suicide has to be dealt with.

If a person does commit suicide do they make heaven or hell. I do not know. My opinion is if they are born again then yes.

 

[J4Jesus]

Even some Christians reject Jesus as lord, that means when Jesus returns they will be in his Kingdom in Jerusalem with red embarressed faces.

Matthew 10:32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

 

[united4Peace]

Wow some of you are so condenming.
Have you not heard of mental illness? Im one that does suffer from depression. Ive been close to suicide...
I know others who have attempted suicide and thank GOD they never made it, thank God they failed and did not succeed. Or maybe they did Succeed because they made it....they lived.
However if they had died I believe they would be in Heaven, that is what I believe though.

What really blew me away about some of you was how you think that Christians are all Perfect and dont suffer from Depression or Mental illness.
Have you not looked at the Mental illness board here on CF? There are many of us over there. We have up and down and inbetween days. We pray for each other.
We are not perfect.
My good Lord...now Im down....

 

[Neenie]

Wow some of you are so condenming.
Have you not heard of mental illness? Im one that does suffer from depression. Ive been close to suicide...
I know others who have attempted suicide and thank GOD they never made it, thank God they failed and did not succeed. Or maybe they did Succeed because they made it....they lived.
However if they had died I believe they would be in Heaven, that is what I believe though.

What really blew me away about some of you was how you think that Christians are all Perfect and dont suffer from Depression or Mental illness.
Have you not looked at the Mental illness board here on CF? There are many of us over there. We have up and down and inbetween days. We pray for each other.
We are not perfect.
My good Lord...now Im down....

I fully agree with you, I found some of the posts on this thread appalling and ignorant. Many Christians suffer depression and mental health issues, this is of pivotal concern because this can lead to suicide weather they are Christian or not.

God is love. And I believe he will look at the heart of a Christian who commits suicide, he knows the pain they have suffered and I believe he will heal them and forgive them.

 

[holo]

anyone who commits suicide is brave??? I strongly disagree. Suicide is the cowards way out, and it is abortion. Ppl preach its' wrong to abort ones child, but it's just as wrong to abort ones own life.

Suicide doesn't come by cowardice, but by desperation. It takes a lot of strength to overcome the instinct to stay alive.

 

[Tenebrae]

Brave? I dont think so. Whats brave is the many people who overcame their suicidal temptations and fought to stay alive until their situations changed. That my friend is brave.

But there for the grace of God I go.....................




I didnt have a choice, I wanted out and I should have gone, God intervened. I agree, I dont think suicide is brave, however I would also challenge anyone who says it is cowardly "have you experienced the black pit that id suicidal depression?"

My decision to die was made after years of suffering with depression, self harm and suicide attempts. I looked at my life and could see no way out, as far as I was concerned the world would be better off without me consuming respirces but giving nothing back....


I want to quote Holo

Suicide doesn't come by cowardice, but by desperation. It takes a lot of strength to overcome the instinct to stay alive.

Even as I took the last half of meds, and went and lay down to sleep for the last time, part of me thought I should call for help, the bigger part of me disagreed, believing that suicde was there only way at least this way I wouldnt be a parasite on society any more.

God disgareed. And I was incredibly angry at the time, I couldnt understand why it hadnt worked, because as far as I was concerned it was the only way of solving the problem.

But, if someone is only using the excuse of mental illness so they can commit suicide

This rings alarm bells with me... A person wants to kill themselves they are not in their right mind. It is not normal to think one day "I want to commit suicide so I will pretend to mentally ill

People in a healthy state of mental wellness, dont just decide on the spur of the moment to kill themsleves

Amanda

I believe that the only unforgiveable sin that Jesus mentioned was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I believe that in all reality only God knows the persons heart.

 

[he4rty]

Suicide doesn't come by cowardice, but by desperation. It takes a lot of strength to overcome the instinct to stay alive.

I'll retract my last statement about it taken a brave person, Maybe not the best choice of words, I think Holo puts it much better.

And i would agree that 90% of people who attempt suicide must have some from of depression/mental illness but there are those in prison awaiting trail who no longer can face up to the guilt of what they may have done, who take there own lives.

If any of you feel in my posts I have been unsympathetic, then I apologize, I have lived we someone suffering depression and its not easy.

 

[lismore]

Jesus wasn't around in King Saul's day.
.

Jesus was around every day.

John 1:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

Colossians 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jesus said in John 8:58: 'Before Abraham was born I AM'. Remember 'I AM the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob'?

That doesnt' prove anything. They got away with having 300 wifes in those days too.
.

Again that is simply not true.

Deuteronomy 17:

17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

They got away with murder.

No-one got away with murder.

The point is that Saul was told he was going to die that day and that he was going to heaven. Read it and see

 

[lismore]

And i would agree that 90% of people who attempt suicide must have some from of depression/mental illness but there are those in prison awaiting trail who no longer can face up to the guilt of what they may have done, who take there own lives.

Some people who consider suicide just dont have it as good as you or I do.

You have only to go down the street, or speak to people who come into church desperate to see there are hurting people there.

Isaiah 61

1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners, [a]
2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn.


God has sent us to bind up the broken hearted, to preach good news to the poor. For many years the 'church' has taught nonsense about purgatories, mortal sins, works based salvations, limbos- all nonsense and none of which can be called 'good news' or binding up the broken hearted. Let us not keep falling into the same trap.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Wiseone, yes you are wise, and gentle. Only those who have walked this way have any right whatsoever to judge, and they don't judge because they have received mercy.

Anyone else, if you don't speak mercy, shut up.

 

[KleinerApfel]

I haven't read the entire thread, sorry, I know lots of you have been merciful, forgive me.

 

[Joy]

Wiseone, yes you are wise, and gentle. Only those who have walked this way have any right whatsoever to judge, and they don't judge because they have received mercy.

Anyone else, if you don't speak mercy, shut up.

i agree Sue

It's easy to judge others with words which show no mercy

i'm so glad God understands and although He's Just, He does not break the bruised reed and smoking flex he will not quench. (Mat 12:20)