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Suffering
- Thread starter Xeno.of.athens
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Yes! God will do almost anything to help us grow if we are willing to accept His help, like God allowed Lazarus to severely suffer to help the rich man.
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You are not going to be able to say (and the rich man made no excuses) that God did not help you to find out. "Love" is our first objective.
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We learn from John 9:1-7 that tragedies happen not because of: Adam & Eve, bad luck, satan in the world, free will, sins or evil in the world, but because of the good which can happen. In the case of the blind man good did happen, but in the case of Lazarus good did not happen, but that was by the rich man's choice (not God's doing).
Tragedies happen like with Job, Lazarus and the blind man, but Greater good can come from them, but it is up to man, since God is only providing the opportunity. Job got to the point of being able to humbly accept God's help as pure undeserved charity and not have the slightest feeling in the back of his head (I have done nothing wrong, so God should treat me generously.).
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The story of Job starts with this affirmation.
There was a man in the land of Uz named Job, and he was a simple and honest man, fearing God and withdrawing from evil. And there had been born to him seven sons and three daughters. And his possession was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, along with five hundred pairs of oxen and five hundred she-donkeys, and also a very large family. And this man was great among all the people of the east. And his sons went and made a feast by houses, each one on his day. And sending, they called their three sisters to eat and drink with them. And when the days of their feasting had been completed, Job sent to them and sanctified them, and, getting up at dawn, he offered holocausts for each one. For he said, "Perhaps my sons have sinned and have not praised God in their hearts." So Job did all the days.
But on a certain day, when the sons of God came to attend in the presence of the Lord, Satan also arrived among them. The Lord said to him, "Where do you come from?" Answering, he said, "I have circled the land, and walked around in it." And the Lord said to him, "Have you not considered my servant, Job? For there is no one like him in the land, a simple and honest man, fearing God and withdrawing from evil." Answering him, Satan said, "Does Job fear God to no purpose? Have you not fortified him, as well as his house and every one of his belongings around him, blessed the works of his hands, and his possession has increased in the land? But extend your hand a little, and touch all that he possesses, and see if he still praises you to your face." Therefore, the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, everything that he has is in your hand, only do not extend your hand against him." And Satan departed from the face of the Lord.
(Job 1:1-12)But on a certain day, when the sons of God came to attend in the presence of the Lord, Satan also arrived among them. The Lord said to him, "Where do you come from?" Answering, he said, "I have circled the land, and walked around in it." And the Lord said to him, "Have you not considered my servant, Job? For there is no one like him in the land, a simple and honest man, fearing God and withdrawing from evil." Answering him, Satan said, "Does Job fear God to no purpose? Have you not fortified him, as well as his house and every one of his belongings around him, blessed the works of his hands, and his possession has increased in the land? But extend your hand a little, and touch all that he possesses, and see if he still praises you to your face." Therefore, the Lord said to Satan, "Behold, everything that he has is in your hand, only do not extend your hand against him." And Satan departed from the face of the Lord.
Job's suffering was not a lesson to teach Job it was something else entirely.
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Job learned in practise when he knew from the beginning, YHWH need not explain, need not reveal, and YHWH did not reveal why Job suffered.
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Job repented of something and he describes himself:
"I despise myself"
Do you see Job despising himself at the beginning?
Job went from someone he himself despised to someone he could appreciate as a child of God..
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