SUFFERING

[Si_monfaith]

When one suffers from lack in any area of life, does God teach about faith in His Son's death & resurrection which saves from all types of lack?

Is suffering backed up by God's eternal plan & purpose to know about faith which saves from all lack?

You may post your answers. Thanks.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The way I was raised I expect suffering and disappointment as part of life among the humans, so I'm well able to deal with it.

 

[Si_monfaith]

The way I was raised I expect suffering and disappointment as part of life among the humans, so I'm well able to deal with it.

I expect suffering and disappointment as part of life

Is suffering an end in itself? Is suffering the sole purpose of human life?

So you don't want to know amid suffering, about the faith in Christ's death & resurrection which saves you from lack & hell?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sharing in the sufferings of Jesus is a fundamental part of a genuine walk with Him.

Then no suffering is wasted as you are participating in the healing power of the resurrection through participating in the suffering on the cross.

 

[Jeshu]

When one suffers from lack in any area of life, does God teach about faith in His Son's death & resurrection which saves from all types of lack?

Is suffering backed up by God's eternal plan & purpose to know about faith which saves from all lack?

You may post your answers. Thanks.

i see that suffering is brought about by wrong and that God wants to make things right but the devil, the world and our flesh don't seem to agree with Him on that and keep going with wilful sin.

suffering brings good life alive in us when we suffer with God if we suffer without God then suffering is terrible and utterly meaningless a constant death even.

As someone who suffers from physical illness i have seen that faith in God's loving truth gives us ability to overcome suffering and the bad life it brings and turn it into something positive instead of negative.

Just see Jesus on the cross to see what God can do with suffering. For Christ's immense suffering made Him the perfect sacrifice God was after to provide His very best for everyone suffering sin and evil.

Peace

 

[Si_monfaith]

Sharing in the sufferings of Jesus is a fundamental part of a genuine walk with Him.

Then no suffering is wasted as you are participating in the healing power of the resurrection through participating in the suffering on the cross.

Do you mean to say suffering has no eternal purpose?

 

[Si_monfaith]

i see that suffering is brought about by wrong and that God wants to make things right but the devil, the world and our flesh don't seem to agree with Him on that and keep going with wilful sin.

suffering brings good life alive in us when we suffer with God if we suffer without God then suffering is terrible and utterly meaningless a constant death even.

As someone who suffers from physical illness i have seen that faith in God's loving truth gives us ability to overcome suffering and the bad life it brings and turn it into something positive instead of negative.

Just see Jesus on the cross to see what God can do with suffering. For Christ's immense suffering made Him the perfect sacrifice God was after to provide His very best for everyone suffering sin and evil.

Peace

i see that suffering is brought about by wrong

Do you mean to say God has no eternal plan & purpose behind suffering?

 

[Jeshu]

Do you mean to say God has no eternal plan & purpose behind suffering?

No i'm not saying that, the opposite is true. God makes good purpose out of our suffering but we need to be in His truth to receive such benefit, for when we dwell in lies our suffering is always only terrible.

 

[Si_monfaith]

No i'm not saying that, the opposite is true. God makes good purpose out of our suffering but we need to be in His truth to receive such benefit, for when we dwell in lies our suffering is always only terrible.

Can you explain what you mean by lies?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Do you mean to say suffering has no eternal purpose?

Sharing in the sufferings of Christ has eternal reward.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Sharing in the sufferings of Christ has eternal reward.

Christ suffered to redeem people. Do you also suffer to redeem people?

Do you earn eternal reward by your sufferings?

So you don't want any blessings in this world by faith in Christ's death & resurrection?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Is suffering an end in itself? Is suffering the sole purpose of human life?

So you don't want to know amid suffering, about the faith in Christ's death & resurrection which saves you from lack & hell?

Various sufferings are part of life. Sadly mankind seems to enjoy sufferings, as we do little to alleviate them.

 

[Jeshu]

Can you explain what you mean by lies?

The things which we erroneous believe about God, ourselves, our neighbour and all good Creation are the root cause of all our sin and all suffering. Only God's loving truth can produce good out of bad and is able to save us from it. He is our only hope.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Christ suffered to redeem people. Do you also suffer to redeem people?

Do you earn eternal reward by your sufferings?

So you don't want any blessings in this world by faith in Christ's death & resurrection?

Col 1:
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Various sufferings are part of life. Sadly mankind seems to enjoy sufferings, as we do little to alleviate them.

Are you trying to please God by suffering pain?

Does faith in Christ's death & resurrection alleviate pain?

 

[Si_monfaith]

The things which we erroneous believe about God, ourselves, our neighbour and all good Creation are the root cause of all our sin and all suffering. Only God's loving truth can produce good out of bad and is able to save us from it. He is our only hope.

You mean to say falsehood?

God makes good purpose out of our suffering but

God makes or already has a purpose behind our suffering from eternity?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Col 1:
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church.

So you mean to say Paul was a co-redemptor along with Jesus?

What does the verse you quoted say about the following:

Do you earn eternal reward by your sufferings?

So you don't want any blessings in this world by faith in Christ's death & resurrection?

 

[Carl Emerson]

So you mean to say Paul was a co-redemptor along with Jesus?

What does the verse you quoted say about the following:

Do you earn eternal reward by your sufferings?

So you don't want any blessings in this world by faith in Christ's death & resurrection?

That is not what the verse says...

Jesus bore on the cross not only our sins, but the sum total of all our suffering so that we all may be healed and made whole.
Paul understood that as He shares in the suffering of Christ as he bares the burden of His flock and experiences Christs love for them as Jesus did on the cross. Paul in interceding and ministering is given the ability to feel Jesus love for them indeed also His suffering for them js he appropriates by faith their healing and restoration. That process is not finished until the last believer is resurrected and the cross has fully done it's job through His body...

Paul will have earned eternal reward for sharing in these sufferings motivated by the love of Jesus.

That verse though not commonly understood is describing among other things, the heart of the ministry of intercession.

 

[Si_monfaith]

That is not what the verse says...

Jesus bore on the cross not only our sins, but the sum total of all our suffering so that we all may be healed and made whole.
Paul understood that as He shares in the suffering of Christ as he bares the burden of His flock and experiences Christs love for them as Jesus did on the cross. Paul in interceding and ministering is given the ability to feel Jesus love for them indeed also His suffering for them js he appropriates by faith their healing and restoration. That process is not finished until the last believer is resurrected and the cross has fully done it's job through His body...

Paul will have earned eternal reward for sharing in these sufferings motivated by the love of Jesus.

That verse though not commonly understood is describing among other things, the heart of the ministry of intercession.

Paul will have earned eternal reward for sharing

Does God not give eternal reward for the sake of Christ's sufferings alone?

intercession

Do I need to intercede for others with weeping or with joy knowing Christ has done all the weeping for us till His death?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Personally I think not because salvation is undeserved.

Eternal reward is a matter of obedience to His will in this life.

On the intercession issue we partake in His sufferings on the cross for the person in need as Jesus did on the cross. That partnership between Him and His body completes the work of the cross in restoring the individual as we share in His sufferings. That is why intercessors weep sometimes with much grief.