sucking up in salvation

[simplyg123]

i believe in secured predetermined salvation, as a lot do. My question is, What is the bonus we get for being obedient. I believe A man who loves God, and except jesus as their savior, has a secured seat in the kingdom of God. So What differs me, an obedient servent of God, to the saved man that cant beat the worldly temptations. He who sins continuosly, yet still repents, and begs for Gods mercy. i know these types.

I am comfortble and satisfyed with being obedient for the glorification of God, this is just a thought, but all comments are appreciated

 

[BigNorsk]

I would think that if you don't think you are sinful and sinning all the time, that you are missing something, and so your situation might actually be worse than the sorrowful sinner you are using in your example. There is none holy except God himself.

Now as to the rewards in heaven, we aren't told. That should be the end of it. If we needed to know, we would have been told. And besides we do righteous acts not for reward but because we love, if reward is your motivation, then everything's messed up. And you are just trying to fulfill another law.

Marv

 

[DarkLord]

Work out ur salvation in Trembling as St Paul said it himself and remeber faith without works is a dead faith...to quote james.

Lutherans and teh CC has already resolved the salvation doctrinal issue on that.

 

[simplyg123]

ok marv i hope you read the bible more clearly then you read my state ment, i did say

"I am comfortble and satisfyed with being obedient for the glorification of God, this is just a thought, but all comments are appreciated"

and i never said i was perfect but that i was as obedient

 

[DarkLord]

I think no one can be certain whether they are saved...onli God knows.

 

[simplyg123]

the bible says if you accept jesus he will save you, he knows who he is saving, and he leads them to their salvation, if they were not in gods plan they will not seek god

 

[Asinner]

the bible says if you accept jesus he will save you, he knows who he is saving, and he leads them to their salvation, if they were not in gods plan they will not seek god

That is your interpretation of the bible and not the interpretation that the Church has defended and believed for 2000 years.

Love,
Christina

 

[Biff]

Dear Simply,

>>>I believe A man who loves God, and except jesus as their savior, has a secured seat in the kingdom of God. <<<

Can you show me a man who accepted Jesus as saviour that didn't love Him (according to the first commandment of His = Mt. 22:37-38)???

You may want to believe what the word is saying about security, but we are not "Zombies", and according to what God says the beliefs involved here are two different things!

Allow me...

John 14:23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."

It can't get any clearer or simpler than this! It all hinges on the word - "IF".

IF we love Him (i.e. IF the love of God is poured out in our hearts) then we'll obey Him - and if we don't we won't!

1 Corinthians 13:1-3 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.

The LOVE of God is everything! NOT brotherly love, but the LOVE born of God and poured out in our hearts like fire as we submit to Him and receive the Holy Spirit.
Until then there is no eternal security!

Bottom line - It is impossible to keep His commands if we don't love Him - and love Him above all else, with our whole heart!
But "IF" we do NOT love Him then...

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

http://www.intergate.com/~subi/hard.htm#luke

 

[simplyg123]

i do not interprate the bible, i understand the bible due to the holy ghost that fills my soul, so it is written, those who do not have the holy ghost can not understand gods word

 

[SoC]

To answer your question, both men are saved, but the man who can't beat temptations is saved as a man escaping a fire (1 Corinthians 3:11-15). The obedient man gets crowns for his obedience, but in the end we're going to lay it all at Christ's feet anyway, so the crowns are just more that we get to worship Christ with.

 

[Asinner]

i do not interprate the bible, i understand the bible due to the holy ghost that fills my soul, so it is written, those who do not have the holy ghost can not understand gods word

You are fooling yourself if you believe that you do not read God's Holy Scriptures with your passions. Until one obtains Humility, Purity of Heart, and Perfect Love, then an unbiased rendering of His word is unlikely.

The protestant argument that one infallibly interprets scripture because of the indwelling of the Spirit is much lacking due to the multiplicities of teachings derived from the same book. Oneness of Spirit is simply not present.

Love,
Christina

 

[simplyg123]

biff, are you telling me that man CAN obey gods word completely. being the sinners that we are no man will be able to be perfect, only god is perfect, therefor even those who do love god will, at times be disobedient

 

[Biff]

Dear asinner,

To Simplyg123 you wrote --

>>>That is your interpretation of the bible and not the interpretation that the Church has defended and believed for 2000 years.<<<

Amen!

"WHOSOEVER" means just that! God does not pick and choose who is going to heaven and who is going to hell at this present time (of Grace).
To say that he does is... well???

John 3:15-16 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[simplyg123]

asinner are you out to get me? just kidding, i guess in some ways i agree but that is only because i am also asinner, and maybe my sins will mislead me, but i feel when my intentions are for gods glory i wont go wrong with what i read from the bible, for god is not the author of confusion

 

[Asinner]

asinner are you out to get me? just kidding, i guess in some ways i agree but that is only because i am also asinner, and maybe my sins will mislead me, but i feel when my intentions are for gods glory i wont go wrong with what i read from the bible, for god is not the author of confusion

Hugs to you.

You state that your sins may mislead you, but if your intentions are for His Glory, then you won't go wrong. Which is it? It cannot be both. Saul had the best of intentions when he persecuted the Church prior to his conversion on the road to Damascus.

Love,
Christina

 

[simplyg123]

sometimes people might use the bible to justify something they know is wrong, and that all i mean

 

[Asinner]

Dear asinner,

To Simplyg123 you wrote --

>>>That is your interpretation of the bible and not the interpretation that the Church has defended and believed for 2000 years.<<<

Amen!

"WHOSOEVER" means just that! God does not pick and choose who is going to heaven and who is going to hell at this present time (of Grace).
To say that he does is... well???

John 3:15-16 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth(1 Ti 2:3,4)

Love,
Christina

 

[simplyg123]

so now we will all be saved, ok, im not sure of the verses but i know they are there , they speak of the elect and they have been chosen

 

[Biff]

biff, are you telling me that man CAN obey gods word completely. being the sinners that we are no man will be able to be perfect, only god is perfect, therefor even those who do love god will, at times be disobedient

Simply,
I am not telling you anything.
I am merely quoting what "Jesus" says in John 14:23-24, and how it all hinges on the IF word.
"IF" you love Him you will... and IF you don't love Him you won't! Simple!
As far as "Being Perfect" goes, again I quote Jesus:

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Which ties in with...

Philippians 2:12-13 .... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

and when rightly understood, means this...

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

because...

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[Asinner]

so now we will all be saved, ok, im not sure of the verses but i know they are there , they speak of the elect and they have been chosen

God desires all to be saved. That is quite different from all being saved.

Love,
Christina