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The part of your argument where you claim that it's part of a husband's role to discipline his wife is very unconvincing. There is an aspect of marriage which is meant to represent the relationship between Christ and the Church, but that doesn't mean the husband is like God in every way, nor can he be.
Lets call it wisdomTrue, but you're assuming all girls are 'bad' until proven otherwise, not the other way around. xD
LOL, okay, sure.Lets call it wisdom
Hmmm, so if that's the case, why do men get married? Isn't it more practical to just live alone and make their decisions, if they are ultimately not going to take their wives' opinions into consideration?
Hmmm, less interaction, cancelling dates, not going out of his way to do nice things...sounds like coercion and manipulation. I didn't know that was biblical. So why not just communicate verbally with the wife? I'm not understanding. xD So relational withdrawal...I thought men were supposed to love their wives sacrificially? This seems like manipulation, not love. xD Speaking of what comes naturally to men....70% of narcissists are men.... I don't think that's a coincidence. xD
But even so, I think that if a man engages in this 'relational withdrawal,' it only makes logical sense that the wife will engage in it as well... but I don't believe in it, fundamentally...it seems quite counterintuitive. If you want someone to do something, wouldn't you rather be nice to them, and not alienate them? I didn't realize this was a 'thing.' It seems like the hypothetical wife and husband are just playing games, it doesn't seem like a union or sacred in any way.
Withdrawing stewardship makes sense, whether the wife or the husband mismanages something. If the husband is financially impulsive, it doesn't make sense to give him stewardship over that just because he is a man.....
I know with 100% confidence that God Himself would never condone a husband ignoring a wife when he has an issue with her, rather than communicating verbally with her. I know that. If you look at the Bible, did Jesus ignore people, or did He draw close to them? Loving your wife as you love yourself does not equate to ignoring someone or emotionally withdrawing from a relationship. Your premise is that men are God, but Satan wanted to become like God, that's why he was cast away. Seeing yourself as God is blasphemy. Men are not God. We are all made in God's image, but trying to say that, God left people in wilderness, so therefore, because you are a man (and like God) that you should do the same isn't biblical doctrine. It's a gross oversimiplification of the Bible.1. God on many occasions withdraws Himself and His blessings and ignores His bride/church for a time.
2. God is perfect love (1 John 4:8), thus this can not be unloving discipline.
3. Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30) and the same yesterday, today and tomorrow (Hebrews 13:8). The God of the OT and NT is the same.
4. A man is designed and assigned to image God/Christ, representing Him to his wife (Ephesians 5:22-29, 1 Corinthians 11:3-9).
5. Christ disciplines those He loves (Revelation 3:19) and this discipline has included temporary withdrawals to draw us back to proper union (verses listed several times above, et al.).
6. Therefore, a man aptly represents God be practicing such discipline.
While this is amusing, you have been misled if some particular person here has convinced you pretending to agree with me has any value to myself. I'm concerned about propagating God's doctrines relentlessly for any spectator of the conversation who would believe God's word on account of hearing/seeing it, because this is what we are commanded to do and warned will not be endured (2 timothy 4:2-3).
As I said, this is not about you or myself, but upholding Scripture for God's people as a whole (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and remaining unspotted by the world (James 1:27, Colossians 2:8) because this is what Christ finds beautiful (Ephesians 5:27).
Well, in my search for the Bible verses about husbands disciplining their wives, I stumbled across some blogs on 'domestic discipline.' It was filled with women talking about how their husbands spank them, use a belt/strap......:o Well, listen. God says we shouldn't judge so I guess I won't.... but man it's so hard for me not to....one of these blogs talked about a woman wearing a diaper as her husband spanked her.......I mean.....when I read your posts about husbands 'disciplining' their wives, I immediately thought of infantilization....now it all makes sense. xDYou may be personally unconvinced, but the Bible says the husband is head of the wife "even as" Christ is head of the church, and that a husband is to love as Christ loves. So, being the head in like manner and loving in like manner, he would discipline his wife in carnal representations to accomplish Christ's loftier spiritual purposes through him.
Wow, that's so sad. I think parents should want the best for their children. If the child is suffering suicidal intent, then I feel like a good compromise would be to go to a Christian psychiatrist....I would say (and am not married, so don't take my word for it) that 99% of decisions that a husband makes are quite straightforward for a wife to agree with (eg what new garden furniture to buy, ho wmuch money to give to a charity or church, where to go on holiday etc) an dit would not be hard for a wife to submit to.
in a healthy marriage the couple would talk it out but if the husband said no, hi sshould be the final say. i think most wives would be ok with that. i remember someone once teling me that marriage mean syou consider th epother person's needs before your own. so marriage is about give and take, but many times, give, give, give. and if both parties are doing that, then it will work well.
I am not sure how submission would apply in slightly more complex conflicts. i used to know a Christain couple with two children. younger child had some issues with mental health and a mild learning disability. the mother and the child's school wanted the child to get outside help but the father was dead against it. the couple tried prayer- casting out demons from the child and gettign the child to confess any sin in their life that had caused their issues (child had been struggling since early childhood) when thi sdidnt work the child was punished for having an episode of anxiety or struggling in their schoolwork
the child got older and was self harming and suffering suicidal intent. father would not allow help instead telling the child they had a spirit of self pity and was to blame and to just shut up and stop bothering them with their problems. the mother ended up sneaking off with the child for the child to see a counsellor and their doctor who referred them to community mental health team. Mother and child were afraid of their father so didn't tell him.
so what do you do ina situation like this when the woman is forced to disobey?? this couple and their children are members of my family, and it difficult for me to see ho wi could help them resolve this?
Wow, that's so sad. I think parents should want the best for their children. If the child is suffering suicidal intent, then I feel like a good compromise would be to go to a Christian psychiatrist....
in a healthy marriage the couple would talk it out but if the husband said no, hi sshould be the final say. i think most wives would be ok with that.
No, I don't think most would, actually.
For what it's worth, fathers refusing to acknowledge or take action on suspected disability in their children is very, very common. If the child's mother hasn't done so yet, she might like to try out a special needs parenting forum; she's likely to find support from other people who've been through similar things.
so would a wife in the situation i described above ever be wrong in sneaking around or encouraging her kids to sneak around to get help?
You've just described pretty significant domestic violence (have another look at the wheel I posted up thread, and see how many of the things on it he does). Never mind getting help, I'd be encouraging her to get out.
Well, in my search for the Bible verses about husbands disciplining their wives, I stumbled across some blogs on 'domestic discipline.'
one of these blogs talked about a woman wearing a diaper
The best thing to me is, after a spanking, corner time, or being forced to redo my housework under his supervision is I am cleansed of my guilt and him of his anger. We have no resentments, old issues or grudges."
Interesting wheel. Why do you think that "treating him/her as a servant" is defined as "using male privilege" when both genders can be guilty of treating someone as a servant?This feels like a good time to revisit this diagram representing various dimensions of abuse in the home:
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Interesting wheel. Why do you think that "treating him/her as a servant" is defined as "using male privilege" when both genders can be guilty of treating someone as a servant?
At least in my experience, it seems that the wife is more likely to exert practical control over most of the crucial decisions in the home nowadays (how the money is spent, where the kids go to school, etc.)
It's interesting that you view it that way. If a man does not provide for his family financially or physically protect his wife and children, society will call him a loser, a "deadbeat," or what have you. People will say that a man who does not protect and provide is "not a real man" but I don't think people would call the wife who does not protect and provide "not a real woman." I don't think women have the same type of cultural pressure on them that men carry, in that respect. Perhaps as a woman you haven't experienced things from the male perspective, as we can't see the world through your lenses?I think in that specific case it's part of the pattern of using male privilege (as we're seeing play out in this very thread) where our society has conditioned women to serve and men to expect to be served.
Yes, both sexes can be guilty of it, but when a woman does it, it isn't part of the same sort of pattern of cultural privilege.
HahahaSome people use religion to justify fetishes their conscience won’t accept. Its all the same.
There has never been a time when I spotted Depends and imagined myself in them. That was the first warning sign.
Where is Christ in all of that? Probably shutting His eyes.
~Bella
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