Stumbling block in forgivness

[FanthatSpark]

it seems we are talking in circles and thus this becomes a stumbling block still. So, one will ask a question of mysteries. We discussed in the distant past of revisiting scripture in various times in our lives and how a verse or chapter changed meaning to floor us in " Spiritual Conceptual Thinking". Or, a "living God's" revelation on a verse that alluded us for so many years and then , "Bam" we are floored. Now, one can not explain
the "true" feeling of being floored with mere words and all the Bible has to offer is test the Spirit in Jesus name. A true revelation/floored is a mystery opened to us in a living God . For me, it comes through perfecting love and our limitation of holding Fear and Hate. Fear in a human can make a man run to escape, yet, it is in the Word a-lot. For me, I took fear as fear and coupled it to no one is righteous and thus I am going to Hell so lets have fun before I go. See limitation in holding fear? It leads to iniquities of hate and Spiritual non-growth. Then by His grace a vessel was introduced and this vessel showed me Rom 12:2 to change my thinking in fear & hate
and replace the word fear in the Word with love coupled to 1 John 4:18.
This way changed perception inside of my fearful hate ridden heart to grow in love. Now, I can put back the word fear in the Word and not be intimidated by it in "Worldly Comprehension" = Spiritual growth.

All that to say this . Firstly, Praise God!! Secondly this vessel now comes to the Word in love and in that love if this heart is pure in intent and God wills it a revelation comes to a non-educated man such as this vessel in a mystery and I find myself floored in "Spiritual Conceptual thinking" which can not be explained. Thus , test the Spirit 1 John 4.

So, after reading 1 John 4 and meditating on it and coupling other truths in and out (Out=life experiences in sin) of the Word if "I love" there is no other state of being but forgiveness. Later came , pure love from a human, in that being, which includes emotional state, deeds sprung from being in love, love unconditional means what in Source of all our pain & strife ?

Now comes the stumble in the Word for me,

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Hate or love ,decisions decisions, Forgive but hate? One truth is known to this vessel, no one can hold to hate & love but God for he is sinless and we are not. So what to do Brinny just asken .

 

[brinny]

In light of Who El Elyon, God Most High, the living God says He is, and His character, and the refection of Him in His only begotten Son, what possibly might that particular verse (Luke 14:26) mean?

Jus' askin'

 

[FanthatSpark]

Not known, care to explain what's your definition as in relation to this thread as a whole?

 

[brinny]

In reference to the verse you posted, is it in God's character to promote/prompt anyone to hate their mother, father, sister, brother, wife, children, and their very own life? Is that what the verse means?

Hatred: animosity, enmity, loathing, venom, abhorrence, detestation.....

Jus' askin'

 

[FanthatSpark]

I see, thanks ! It is in concept not the words themselves. Soooo.... do we forgive Source too and offer the other cheek?Still just asken

It is understood that we can not perfect love and the subject of this topic is talking in impossibilities in our living in sin/nature. But it is edifying in talking of the, goal, to come out of iniquity to "love in limitation" of holding to love always and although we are still talking in circles mayhap one should refer to Proverbs 3:5-6 for a mystery in "love in totality" and forgive all including source for source is Gods creation too . Let God deal with Lucifer but in our limited state we forgive out of love perhaps...

I get that Satan is the enemy but I get too "love your enemy" So is forgiving Satan the ultimate truth or lie that I just cant get around?

If one gets death is the gain Phil 1:21 and no longer fears it but longs for it, in society, that is considered unstable thinking just as this topic is lol. But real, if one meditates on it. Any whooo... Blessings Brinny And thanks for your diligence in this.

 

[brinny]

What did a holy God, Who is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, the Alpha and the Omega, Creator, and Who IS love, mean by "forgiving one's enemies"?

 

[FanthatSpark]

Noted .

 

[FanthatSpark]

Blessings CF in Christ is the grace to worship and praise .

As in above statement of noted ,a time to pray and seek in the Word an answer to the limitations in us all. The following verses are given John 14:30, John 16:7-12 & Eph. 4:6-32. However, one would suggest reading in context of the Johns. Eph. furthers the comforter . This concept is beyond me for I am limited, mayhap a bigger brain out there of the Omni God is needed. All this vessel can do is perfect love the best way known to him in my limitations. However, know that second coming will reveal all, before this vessel busts a brain vessel and leave some matters alone. In John 16:12 it is hinted that not all info would we
understand/hear...Anywhooo , Praise God, Jesus & Holy Ghost that one gets the chance to worship amen .

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Blessings CF in Christ is the grace to worship and praise .

As in above statement of noted ,a time to pray and seek in the Word an answer to the limitations in us all. The following verses are given John 14:30, John 16:7-12 & Eph. 4:6-32. However, one would suggest reading in context of the Johns. Eph. furthers the comforter . This concept is beyond me for I am limited, mayhap a bigger brain out there of the Omni God is needed. All this vessel can do is perfect love the best way known to him in my limitations. However, know that second coming will reveal all, before this vessel busts a brain vessel and leave some matters alone. In John 16:12 it is hinted that not all info would we
understand/hear...Anywhooo , Praise God, Jesus & Holy Ghost that one gets the chance to worship amen .

huh? lol

 

[FanthatSpark]

Blessings Cass,

This thread is extensive and one can get lost .

Will try and break it down. We being limited in holding either hate or love,
if Love is choice, then that limits choices under umbrella of love, all the way down to forgiveness.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Blessings Cass,

This thread is extensive and one can get lost .

Will try and break it down. We being limited in holding either hate or love,
if Love is choice, then that limits choices under umbrella of love, all the way down to forgiveness.

Kk, is that ^ the formula that God has followed in 'time' to limit Himself to Love/ where also satan is limited/ and the choice of individuals? I haven't concentrated on reading the thread yet, just going by above post

 

[FanthatSpark]

Hi cass

Yeah, this requires "real time" to deeper fellowship. Your formula is of source code with out correct limitations of the vessel/language code .The thread as a whole really needs attention for fluid response and that is not said out of malice . It just states a fact.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Blessings CF and Praise Him !!

Lets continue in Omni from Brinns post # 26. If we are of God that means the initial spark of life/soul is placed in us by God.
What Does the Bible Say About God Breathed Life In Us?

Is this Gods way to "overcome a limitation of experiencing Sin"? The Bible states He can not hold sin correct. Yet mayhap His breath/us can and ultimately we are from God in His image but like God we have a limitation too. Choice. One or the other = Hate/Sin or Love/God. With predefined limitations in God to experience Sin through His breath so He may reach to us to show love if one hears then another limitation is set in play by His tool/image/us... We can only hold one or the other... Love or Hate correct?
Remember all the grey in hate = jealousy, envy etc...

Choice is the tool that the principalities fight over correct? Thus, choice in our limited capacities = overcome. What Does the Bible Say About To Overcome?

For me, in "Source code/Spiritual" speak, if one truly overcomes in our limited capacities then perfected love has no room for Hate Satan and again this runs full circle to forgive even him in our limitation of "choice" and let God who does not posses "choice limitation" in His Omni.

Thus the stumbling block remains in contradiction of attempting to hold hate in a known fact...We can not and be righteous. And in perfect love one must forgive even Lucifer because we are not , Omni and to fool self to grasp ahold of hate Lucifer, for me, is inviting destruction in Spiritual juxtaposition.

The final choice of Noah in the latest movie comes to mind as he is holding
our future over the side of the ship in that infant which is the doorway for Lucifer to wreak havoc in the world... Love was the choice Noah made. One or the other...Thoughts?

 

[x141]

Jesus became dumb before his accusers ... this is one of the truths of the cross we pick up.

Psalm 44:15 My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me.

 

[FanthatSpark]

His blessings & X,

It may be that this reference by God through you shows an old problem using people in their blindness & confusion to further Spiritual Growth in forgiveness of principalities for we suffer Phil 1:21 in sin.

That is a "cross"/thought/spiritual concept well worthy of the arena of knowledge but please look at what you are stating and the verses to make it so . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_44

Attempting to apply that in our limited truth of "Choice" (Choice is derived out of our limited capacities) is to invite said confusion in said verse to negate Spirit back into death in the choice of fear, hate, envy, vanity, grey areas of negative choice.


That is a thought process/cross under Law in psalms 44:15 and law = fear God, confusion as verse states in that old promises are all the author is given in that day and time and no concept of Jesus yet. In, love perfected, new testament ,in this vessels claim of Jesus is my savior. The Law is dead to me as it is written in Rom:12-2 coupled to 1 John 4:18. To take confusion as my cross negates the entire NT, Jesus, New covenant which is Gods answer to the verse 44 as a whole and new foundation to Spiritual concept under love. If one takes love God with all their "mind" as a truth in Matt 22:37 then one can not hold confusion under love 1 Cor. 14:33. I either believe the NT or take psalms 44:15 in my arrogance that "I" can manipulate "choice". One can only do one or the other... Fear or Love, my brother . We can not type out of that truth using knowledge of law in Spiritual matters in old testament psalms .

For me,
proclaiming Jesus shuts the door to Old testament teachings until sanctification and relationship under love is completed that this mind/ psych/id/ thyself/me is secure under love for a season. Or , complete brainwashing in His love to take fanaticism of His love to all to apply to any that are blind to it . God was the fanatic first lol, that is truth.

 

[x141]

In one form yes, every time a word comes from God a serpent always appears.

For me, the book is one cohesive narrative of one son/inheritance, that became two, and was narrowed back to one again, and we each being this one son.

The OT equates itself with the second forty of Moses as a woman that comes out of the side, and this unto the revealing of our nakedness (as is the pattern), which to us is the eating of our own reasoning based on an image outside of us.

Where we are is before all things, but only found by a keeping of the first commandment, or Feast, or cross, which equates to take no thought as a laying down of our soul, that we might pick it back up again, which is to gain it by losing it.

David was still busying himself with building the house of God (a confusion of face), even when he was told that he wouldn't, and why he still gathered the things up to do so, never seeing the truth he was born to, or for (or never being able to remain in it). One does not have to look very far to see who supplied the timber to build, and what in the language of God this reveals (though this in itself is expansive beyond measure, it to flows within the pattern found in the serpent).

 

[FanthatSpark]

Blessings in Christ,

At times this format in its limitations of expression rears its unwieldiness in conceptual thinking in that a thesis is required for the "Let me be clear-errr, ". Your "Book" statement makes the most sense "in my eating of reason, lol" that you refer to the Bible OT & NT and it flows apart then back together. Especially, if one looks at it in the "Original" format in Adam that committed the original sin and died for it, came back as Jesus and later Adam will return for the marriage. So, we get ya in the, Sons analogy.
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For me , too much "knowledge/serpent" to confusion in principality thinking to come to the simpleness of Joy in choice. Now, a herculean effort to put this back on topic (but enjoyed the detour X ) to principality forgiveness under love and humanities limitation??? Joy and fear have root terms they stem from. Love & Hate. Then sincere ignorance in self, praises .

 

[x141]

To the pure all things are pure.

 

[brinny]

...i find that i messes things up BIG TIME wif me own "thinking"...it be'z baaaaaaad, mon

 

[FanthatSpark]

No wiser words could be said Brinny