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NoahMetoyer

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I may not use the same metaphors as you do, but I appreciate the point your are making. The Church must be able to engage in self-examination. And you are right that this does not go over very well with many Catholics.

This is part of why I think both Progressives and Traditionalists "get the Church" better in some instances than the fawning crowds who stand in abject amazement before the current Vatican approved party line.

(No one interpret me as being anything other than loyal to the Pope, I am, I am just not some neo-Conservative Catholic who thinks current disciplinary policy, political positions, and doctrinal formulations represent the utter height of Catholic thought just because the Holy Father and some guy in the Curia have approved them.)
 
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steve_bakr

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I've read Rahner. I still think he's a Modernist of the worst sort. His Eucharistic theology and his ecclesiology were both heretical. And as for "bringing Catholic theology into the modern world" you mean deforming Church teaching and leading to the "hermeneutic of rupture" that Holy Church is only just beginning to escape?

I'll answer about Rahner tomorrow. For now, perhaps you can provide some more details about which of his writings you object to.
 
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I've read Rahner. I still think he's a Modernist of the worst sort. His Eucharistic theology and his ecclesiology were both heretical. And as for "bringing Catholic theology into the modern world" you mean deforming Church teaching and leading to the "hermeneutic of rupture" that Holy Church is only just beginning to escape?


The basis of Karl Rahner's theology is that God has endowed man with a transcendental experience of an "infinite horizon" which is in the background of all our experience. It is a "holy mystery" because it wants to fulfill our spiritual destiny and cannot be contained by any category. The foundation of the capacity for this experience is what Rahner calls God's self-communication to man--i.e. grace.

God's self-communication to man demonstrates that God wants to give himself to us and to "draw near." The high point of God's gift of himself to man is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Most of Karl Rahner's theology relates in some way to what I just described.

Karl Rahner's first philosophical works were "Spirit in the World" and "Hearer of the Word." His most systematic work is "Foundations of Christian Faith." Rahner's most comprehensive and wide-ranging work is the 23-volume "Theological Investigations." He also wrote spiritual works such as "Encounters With Silence."

When I said that Karl Rahner brought Catholic theology into the modern world, it is because he felt it necessary to apply Thomism to the developments in knowledge since the Middle Ages. He engaged with the knowledge base of the modern world in areas like biblical scholarship, history, anthropology, philosophy, and evolutionary theory. It is in this manner, he felt, that Christianity and Catholicism can give an intellectually credible witness in the modern age.

(see Steven Buller: "The Theology of Karl Rahner: A Restatement of Foundations of Christian Faith."
Also, Karen Kilby, Leo J. O'Donovan, M. Edmund Hussey, etc.)
 
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I agree that Bl John Paul II seemed to hold a semi-Pelagian position. But no pope has taught anything ex cathedra (ie infallibly) since the Assumption of Mary. Bl John Paul either:

a) Has been misunderstood by you and I and meant something else. (possible, not likely, but possible)

b) He was a semi-Pelagian and in error on this point. (My belief)

Either way, as embarrassing as his opinions (and actions sometimes) were, Catholic Teaching=/=every word said or written by the Pope.
I would be interested to see why you think that JPII may have held some semi-Pelagian views.
 
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That's a bit off topic to this thread, don't you think?

Everyone knows that Catholics don't believe in Jesus, but worship Mary as an alternative to Isis as well as pantheon of Roman Saints. ;):p
 
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Probably could've done it in a better way like "Hi I'm awesome!" or "All your bases belong to us!".

Or...given the scarcity of personal information that she offered, it may be a 'one time only' post.
 
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Like that "Muslim" troll who started all those ridiculous threads not too long ago?

Maybe, but that one was quite transparent and deliberate. This one may be nothing more than a casual visitor who left a testimony in a thread roughly related to her comments and won't be seen again.
 
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Maybe, but that one was quite transparent and deliberate. This one may be nothing more than a casual visitor who left a testimony in a thread roughly related to her comments and won't be seen again.

Well, that's the internet for yah!
 
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