"Study Islam" - what does it mean?

[jameseb]

Because my friend was in trouble and no one cared, but when an Israeli is in trouble, the threads are pages long. Before you judge me on Israel, read this link:

http://nswas.com/

I'm an american friend (ie promoter and sponsor) of a village in Israel, Jewish, Muslim and Christian, that works for peace. Don't take my words out of context, that's cheap.

I did not take your words out of context. And at tha time, there were just as many replies to that thread as there was the Israeli one.... and that comment was absolutely UNCALLED FOR.... especially since one of those "no-name's" was a friend of mine.

Plenty of Muslims are thankful for that, if you would bother to find out rather then make assumptions

And perhaps if you read my words instead of making assumptions, you'd realize I was talking about Moslem terrorists..... funny you thought I was talking about all Moslems.

 

[Lifesaver]

Jameseb, please, it has been shown time and time again that the army or the police force (!) are not sinful in themselves! It is not sinful to fight in a war nor to fight crime!

I'm curious, though: do the Eastern Orthodox Churches endorse this extreme pacifism?
How does the Church deal with men in the army? Are they excomunicated? What about the police force of these Churches' countries?

 

[rahma]

I did not take your words out of context. And at tha time, there were just as many replies to that thread as there was the Israeli one.... and that comment was absolutely UNCALLED FOR.... especially since one of those "no-name's" was a friend of mine.

I did not know it was a friend of yours and I believe I said people no one knows, and not no names. However, you may be happy (or not) to know I added your friend to my prayer list when I learned of his plight.

Additionally, it took a few days for people to notice that thread, I had to point people to it, so that people could pray for hassan and his family

And perhaps if you read my words instead of making assumptions, you'd realize I was talking about Moslem terrorists..... funny you thought I was talking about all Moslems.

No, just many people think that all Muslims (please spell it this way, the other way is insulting as it refers to Mohammadans, thank you) are terrorists, and seeing as how I have been called a terrorist countless times in the past, once while being physically assaulted, I am a bit sensative about the issue.

 

[jameseb]

Jameseb, please, it has been shown time and time again that the army or the police force (!) are not sinful in themselves! It is not sinful to fight in a war nor to fight crime!

I'm curious, though: do the Eastern Orthodox Churches endorse this extreme pacifism?
How does the Church deal with men in the army? Are they excomunicated? What about the police force of these Churches' countries?

No, its not endorsed by Orthodoxy, it is my own belief just as I would think it was a personal belief of a given Catholic, like John Kerry, that abortion is not a sin, though RC doctrine states otherwise. And its a sin (war) that I've taken part in... I served in GW1 as a United States Marine. I think what was done there was good.... a country liberated, a people freed from tyranny, but I cannot find Scripture that would support my personal belief that war is ever right.

 

[jameseb]

I did not know it was a friend of yours and I believe I said people no one knows, and not no names. However, you may be happy (or not) to know I added your friend to my prayer list when I learned of his plight.

Additionally, it took a few days for people to notice that thread, I had to point people to it, so that people could pray for hassan and his family

And I prayed for your friends as well, as I pray for all those who are suffering in this world.

No, just many people think that all Muslims (please spell it this way, the other way is insulting as it refers to Mohammadans, thank you) are terrorists, and seeing as how I have been called a terrorist countless times in the past, once while being physically assaulted, I am a bit sensative about the issue.

Well, I've even had Muslims (there) shoot at me with intent to kill, but I won't necessarily allow myself to believe that's the intent of all Muslims, regardless of what I believe Muhammad endorses.

 

[rahma]

And I prayed for your friends as well, as I pray for all those who are suffering in this world.

There, see that's one thing we have in common. Although we may not agree on most issues, at least there is some common ground

Well, I've even had Muslims (there) shoot at me with intent to kill, but I won't necessarily allow myself to believe that's the intent of all Muslims, regardless of what I believe Muhammad endorses.

One cannot judge an entire group by the actions of a few. I don't hold it against all americans, or even all rednecks for the few morons who assaulted me, it just makes me rather sensative

Thank you for changing the spelling. A little thing like that means a lot

 

[jameseb]

There, see that's one thing we have in common. Although we may not agree on most issues, at least there is some common ground

One cannot judge an entire group by the actions of a few. I don't hold it against all americans, or even all rednecks for the few morons who assaulted me, it just makes me rather sensative

Thank you for changing the spelling. A little thing like that means a lot

Yes, I agree, and that's what I have to remind myself from time to time as many people probably have to do as well. I may not agree with Islam, as you probably don't agree with Christianity, but I don't hate a people for it. Frustrated sometimes, but not hate.

And you're welcome about the spelling.

 

[rahma]

James, you might want to check out Neve Shalom/Wahat Salaam, and see if you can bring some of the speakers to your area. I think right now they have two girls who are some of the first children born and raised in the village, both about 20, one Jewish girl and one Muslim. They're presentations are secular, but they have a powerful message.

 

[crystalpc]

Thank you for changing the spelling. A little thing like that means a lot

Rahma can you please explain the nuances in the spellings, what is a mohammedan if he is not a muslim? I am curious, I have seen the names interchanged for years.
Is it the difference between shia and sunni, and what is the difference in these and the whabismi of bin laden?

 

[rahma]

Rahma can you please explain the nuances in the spellings, what is a mohammedan if he is not a muslim? I am curious, I have seen the names interchanged for years.

When Europeans expanded and colonized the non western world, they encountered a lot of religions they had no name for. Rather then ask those practitioners what they called themselves they said, this Muhammad fellow looks like he might be a God, or at least the center of the religion. By jove, lets call it Muhammadism.

Muhammadism is offensive, because a) it's not the name we call ourselves, which is muSLiM, mu being a person who does something and SLM meaning submission, and b) it gives the impression that Muhammad is at the center of the religion and not God. To give the religion any name other then Islam is very offensive. Muslim is derived from the arabic pronunciation, while Moslem was first found in books that talk about Mohammadism, and is thus linguistically derived from that.

Is it the difference between shia and sunni, and what is the difference in these and the whabismi of bin laden?

The split between sunni and shia is mainly political. I'll post these articles from a neutral 3rd party website

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Sunni
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Shia

And for Wahabism, try:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Militant_Islam#Wahhabism

Although I disagree witha few points about certain groups, like the Musllim brotherhood and Sayid Qutb, their section on Wahabism is fairly accurate

 

[crystalpc]

Thank you Rhama, I will look in on the wahab site, I know about the split.

 

[sijo]

Then why don't you loudly condemn those christians as much as you go around condemning islam?

The sunnah of the Prophet includes war and peace.

Yeh! Jennifer! [slightly exclaimed, no?] You are deceiving others. "The Sunnah of the prophet includes war and peace" - WRONG.

The Sunnah of the prophet was full of brutal war and violence - RIGHT.
Where was real peace?

Mohamed pretended as for peace till his islam attained majority in a particular place. On receiving majority, he started using violence, riots and atrocities to conquer the whole territory. This is the truth. If you don't understand, go and read my posts about the "generosity" and "kindness" of Mohd quoted from Sirat Rasulallah and Sahih Bukhari. I could quote hundreds of verses from YOUR quranic books.

Don't try to beat around the bush.

sijo.

 

[rahma]

Yeh! Jennifer! [slightly exclaimed, no?] You are deceiving others. "The Sunnah of the prophet includes war and peace" - WRONG.

The Sunnah of the prophet was full of brutal war and violence - RIGHT.
Where was real peace?

I would appreciate it if you called me by my screenname. You are in no way my friend, and only my friends call me by my real name. Sorry.

Actually, there was very little brutal war. Muslims were restrained by several rules and fought war in as humane a way as possible.

Mohamed pretended as for peace till his islam attained majority in a particular place. On receiving majority, he started using violence, riots and atrocities to conquer the whole territory. This is the truth. If you don't understand, go and read my posts about the "generosity" and "kindness" of Mohd quoted from Sirat Rasulallah and Sahih Bukhari. I could quote hundreds of verses from YOUR quranic books.

And I would quote you 200 more putting those verses in the full context so that people could see them how muslims understand them. For every verse or hadith about war, there are another 3 or 4 limiting war.

 

[Ibrahim]

Sijo your not even worth "debating" with because your not here to debate your here to moch and spread lies about something you don't even know. You can all say i read the Quran and hadith 1000000 times and i wouldnt amtter because it seems you read it but only pay attention the the parts about war, you never quote or talk about the MANY MANY MANY hadiths concerning mercy and compassion to all and the beauty of Heaven and mankind. Your just foolish ignorant so called christians when your acting more like the bloodthirsty crusaders who came to jerusalem with the same thoughts you do. I have respect for christians and especially a few on this forum so far but i also have a disgust for you sijo and all the rest like you who spread lies to strengthen your own "belief" in your so called peaceful and just lord Jesus Christ. If you beleive in Jeus Christ your sure acting like satan to me and you disgust me with your intolerant words and beliefs. Ill probably see you on the 700 club tonight, you sound like the same guys who get on there and start babbling about how evil and demonic muslims are lol what a sick world this is.

 

[crystalpc]

Amazing if we quote muslims own words we are hateful??? If we don't bow down and throw our beliefs out the window, we are hypocrits??? There are worse thing in this life than being called intolerant by other intolerant people..

 

[crystalpc]

I would appreciate it if you called me by my screenname. You are in no way my friend, and only my friends call me by my real name. Sorry.
Actually, there was very little brutal war. Muslims were restrained by several rules and fought war in as humane a way as possible.
And I would quote you 200 more putting those verses in the full context so that people could see them how muslims understand them. For every verse or hadith about war, there are another 3 or 4 limiting war.

How can you put in context cutting ppls hands and feet off, and burning thier eyes out then leaving them in the desert to die? Or humane???

 

[crystalpc]

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[rahma]

How can you put in context cutting ppls hands and feet off, and burning thier eyes out then leaving them in the desert to die? Or humane???

Islam has stringent punishments. Those left in the desert to die were highway robbers who murdered many people. Those who have their hands cut off are theives for no reason other then to steal. A theif who steals to feed his family is not punished harshly.

 

[peaceful soul]

Islam has stringent punishments. Those left in the desert to die were highway robbers who murdered many people. Those who have their hands cut off are theives for no reason other then to steal. A theif who steals to feed his family is not punished harshly.

Interesting!! Did Allah command this? I am trying to understand how Allah operates. If so, is this still in effect today?

 

[rahma]

Interesting!! Did Allah command this? I am trying to understand how Allah operates. If so, is this still in effect today?

A basic introduction to Islamic Law