Study finds moral equality between religious and nonreligious

[2PhiloVoid]

Study finds moral equality between religious and nonreligious

Study finds moral equality between religious, nonreligious | UIC News Center

The study found that religious and nonreligious people differed in only one way: how moral and immoral deeds made them feel. Religious people responded with stronger emotions – more pride and gratitude for their moral deeds, and more guilt, embarrassment and disgust for their immoral deeds.

What are the implications?


eudaimonia,

Mark

The implications are that they definitely weren't comparing apples with apples.

In other words, I'm sure that if our moral systems and their attending personal subscriptions are all so tidy and equivalent, then atheists will have no problem agreeing with Paul in all of his moral points developed in Romans Chapter 1.

Or, is there a different moral standard I wasn't made aware of?

 

[quatona]

Helps if you read the actual paper instead of the press release:

Morality in everyday life

It's all there. Peer-reviewed, with control groups, etc.

Thanks for the link!

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I am sure we all have moral soft tissue, in the brain, which can be programmed or nurtured. And this area(s) will be linked in a general way to other brain areas, such that emotional response is either part and parcel of morality, or there by close association.

So people have a neural framework, just like they have for learning maths or a lanugage, culture or a specific game.

Id like to comment on the ambiguity of the term "moral" though. In one sense it is having a morality, a system of beliefs and responses, and in another it is used by people as their posessing the morality.

I go along with a well being approach to morals, equating goodness with humanistic welfare. But just as there are many possible nutritional meals, also there are many ways to be well. However who does the farming and who does the cooking, and who is left with the washing up is still a much debated issue.

 

[Strathos]

It does to some degree. Wouldn't you agree that Christians are more likely to be against gay marriage, and assisted suicide, for example? You might not agree that opposing those things is wrong, but I think they are. It's also repressive to morally acceptable actions.

Didn't you once say it's okay to kill babies? I don't mean abortion, I mean killing them after they are born.

 

[quatona]

Helps if you read the actual paper instead of the press release:

Morality in everyday life

It's all there. Peer-reviewed, with control groups, etc.

I´d love to, but I won´t pay for it.

 

[Paradoxum]

Didn't you once say it's okay to kill babies? I don't mean abortion, I mean killing them after they are born.

Something like that. I'm guessing you're going to say you disagree, and I understand that. But I'm not sure what the difference is between killing an infant, and killing a cow.

 

[Chesterton]

Something like that. I'm guessing you're going to say you disagree, and I understand that. But I'm not sure what the difference is between killing an infant, and killing a cow.

 

[CabVet]

I´d love to, but I won´t pay for it.

You can get it in any university library for free.

 

[quatona]

You can get it in any university library for free.

Little chance for that to come any time soon - seeing that I live in a rural area, far away from a university library.
So either I can give my opinion about that which has been put up for discussion in this thread, or I can bow out due to the fact that insufficient information has been given.

 

[CabVet]

Little chance for that to come any time soon - seeing that I live in a rural area, far away from a university library.
So either I can give my opinion about that which has been put up for discussion in this thread, or I can bow out due to the fact that insufficient information has been given.

You could always try asking nicely, I am sure you have friends/family in college that could download this from their home computer in 5 minutes. I tried attaching it here but cannot (file is larger than 1mb).

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The implications are that they definitely weren't comparing apples with apples.

In other words, I'm sure that if our moral systems and their attending personal subscriptions are all so tidy and equivalent, then atheists will have no problem agreeing with Paul in all of his moral points developed in Romans Chapter 1.

Or, is there a different moral standard I wasn't made aware of?

Ethical systems weren't compared in the study. As noted in the news article, religious and non-religious individuals were compared in terms of "the number or quality of moral and immoral deeds experienced by people in their everyday lives."

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I read the article. It's interesting. Certainly non-religious people can be moral (just as religious people can be immoral). That being said, what I question is the definition of morality. If I were non-religious I might define morality as what I make it. Typically, otoh, you'd find most religious people defining morality as the objective and unchanging standard as taught in the Bible. If my moral compass is built by me and changes with the culture I'll fit my morality 100% as long as I "keep up" with the changing conditions.

You might do that if you were non-religious.

 

[quatona]

You could always try asking nicely, I am sure you have friends/family in college that could download this from their home computer in 5 minutes. I tried attaching it here but cannot (file is larger than 1mb).

Thanks for trying to help!

 

[ebia]

Helps if you read the actual paper instead of the press release:

Except one can't without buying it.

 

[ebia]

You can get it in any university library for free.

Most of us don't have ready access to an academic library.

 

[ebia]

You could always try asking nicely, I am sure you have friends/family in college that could download this from their home computer in 5 minutes. I tried attaching it here but cannot (file is larger than 1mb).

I presume it would breach copyright if you did.

 

[JaniMelody]

For a long time i was thinking morality is something you are taught or brought up to, and i still think it is to a degree but there is something else that you are born with and one could call it a soul or some sort of an energy other would have more of a physical explanation via genetics etc... But these days tell me one thing that you can generalize? There s all sorts of mixed up possibilities in life, but in this case i think it has more to do with the type of energy a person is born, i v seen religious people that i would describe as the closest thing to a devil...And at the same time i v seen people the exact opposite with a heart of gold... I really believe the answer lies in the person itself more than anything (being the case if the upbringing wasnt full of traumas...)

 

[Paradoxum]

Ha

 

[woodpecker]

Who determines what is good or bad, what is moral or not

Moral - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

: concerning or relating to what is right and wrong in human behavior

: based on what you think is right and good

: considered right and good by most people : agreeing with a standard of right behavior
....
Where does this conscious of right and wron come from...God

Romans 2

14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.
16 And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.

 

[woodpecker]

Who determines what is good or bad, what is moral or not

Moral - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

: concerning or relating to what is right and wrong in human behavior

: based on what you think is right and good

: considered right and good by most people : agreeing with a standard of right behavior
....
Where does this conscious of right and wrong come from...God

Romans 2

14 Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.
16 And this is the message I proclaim—that the day is coming when God, through Christ Jesus, will judge everyone’s secret life.