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But, of course, it was ALWAYS 'correct' when it happened in the Bible, right? It was only 'wrong' in all those other holy books!
Ummm...Boy Scouts also organize and have meetings. They also preach a message. Is that a religion too?
So you now claiming to know more than an expert who wrote the original paper form the university of Washington.The article writer did a perfectly adequate job of that. There wasn't much for me to add.
eudaimonia,
Mark
So you now claiming to know more than an expert who wrote the original paper form the university of Washington.
So you now claiming to know more than an expert who wrote the original paper form the university of Washington.
Pascal Boyer is in the Departments of Psychology and Anthropology, Washington University in St Louis, Missouri, USA.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7216/pdf/4551038a.pdf
Atheism will always be a harder sell than religion, Pascal Boyer explains, because a slew of cognitive traits predispose us to faith.
No I'm quoting Stephen Hawkins.I think you mean "Dawkins," who doesn't take the position you claim.
No, woo peddlers are saying that.
No I'm quoting Stephen Hawkins.
Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God
Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God - CNET
No the actual person who did the study has the original article with nature and is a qualified scientist. The journo was just reporting what he said.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7216/pdf/4551038a.pdf
The signs that some scientists are seeing that cause them to see that there is something beyond the normal parameters of the physical science are not losing their luster. They are in fact increasing with more and more reports along these lines coming out as time goes by. Its not a case always that they need to keep waiting and digging to find better answers which will resolve the mystery. What they are seeing is indicating that these are the results. They are seeing that there is something happening beyond the normal physics and into another realm. Thats why we are getting so many scientists speaking this way now about other dimensions and realms which may answer the perplexing things they are seeing at the moment with astrophysics and quantum mechanics.Boyer is right on this point. Atheists have to fight an uphill battle in debates because, for many of the difficult questions raised, we simply must admit our ignorance. We don't know how the universe began, though many people are investigating that question. The need for cognitive closure then makes religion's easy answers seem much more appealing than the atheist's admission of ignorance. If Boyer is implying that this is fixed, however, then he is wrong. People learn how to accept "I don't know" as an honest answer and as an invitation to figure it out. As they learn to do this, the easy answers of religion quickly lose their luster. "A slew of cognitive traits" may predispose us to superstition, but it is not some tedious psychological inevitability.
The signs that some scientists are seeing that cause them to see that there is something beyond the normal parameters of the physical science are not losing their luster. They are in fact increasing with more and more reports along these lines coming out as time goes by.
Its not a case always that they need to keep waiting and digging to find better answers which will resolve the mystery. What they are seeing is indicating that these are the results. They are seeing that there is something happening beyond the normal physics and into another realm. Thats why we are getting so many scientists speaking this way now about other dimensions and realms which may answer the perplexing things they are seeing at the moment with astrophysics and quantum mechanics.
The signs that some scientists are seeing that cause them to see that there is something beyond the normal parameters of the physical science are not losing their luster. They are in fact increasing with more and more reports along these lines coming out as time goes by. Its not a case always that they need to keep waiting and digging to find better answers which will resolve the mystery. What they are seeing is indicating that these are the results. They are seeing that there is something happening beyond the normal physics and into another realm. Thats why we are getting so many scientists speaking this way now about other dimensions and realms which may answer the perplexing things they are seeing at the moment with astrophysics and quantum mechanics.
Thats fair enough and I wont dispute that. The only thing I will say is that this combined with other conclusions that some scientists have come to is that there maybe more to us and life than we think. Other scientists are coming to similar conclusions in different ways that point to there being some other dimension or realms beyond the physical. It seems modern science is moving more and more into these fields. Is it in their heads or is there something really to all this. I guess only time will tell.I'm not claiming that he isn't referencing real science, and I'm not claiming to know more science than him.
I am claiming that his personal conclusion from that science is moronic, as any intelligent person can judge. The article explains the deep flaws in his reasoning.
Let me be perfectly clear here. I do not dispute the following:
1) We tell ourselves narratives about our lives.
2) Many people are spiritual.
3) People feel interconnected.
4) Narratives tend to have happy endings.
5) We lack the free will to choose atheism.
What I dispute is that any of these things are intrinsically theistic. Yes, such shared thought patterns may be shared by the religious and the irreligious, but that no more means that atheists do not exist any more than the shared thought patterns mean that theists don't exist. This is faulty reasoning on his part.
eudaimonia,
Mark
Yes, science´s understanding of nature is improving and advancing continually, and they have come across some weird stuff already, haven´t they. Interestingly, no matter how weird their findings are, they never were weird enough to declare them God or the Supernatural.Thats far enough and I wont dispute that. The only thing I will say is that this combined with other conclusions that some scientists have come to is that there maybe more to us and life than we think. Other scientists are coming to similar conclusions in different ways that point to there being some other dimension or realms beyond the physical. It seems modern science is moving more and more into these fields. Is it in their heads or is there something really to all this. I guess only time will tell.
Thats far enough and I wont dispute that.
The only thing I will say is that this combined with other conclusions that some scientists have come to is that there maybe more to us and life than we think. Other scientists are coming to similar conclusions in different ways that point to there being some other dimension or realms beyond the physical.
How do you know its not true, how do you know what I am talking about are mistruths. The thing is people use to talk about life after death and it use to be this mystical thing that we couldn't grasp. But ever since time began we have been looking to the heavens and within ourselves for something. We havnt been able to put our finger on it but there has always been this yearning. I and many others including non religious people believe there is something beyond this physical life. Call it our conscience being aware before and after our physical life or a spiritual realm. We are studying this field more and more and the science is showing some indications that there maybe something to it.Continually repeating a mistruth will not magically make it true.
How do you know its not true, how do you know what I am talking about are mistruths.
The thing is people use to talk about life after death and it use to be this mystical thing that we couldn't grasp.
But ever since time began we have been looking to the heavens and within ourselves for something. We havnt been able to put our finger on it but there has always been this yearning. I and many others including non religious people believe there is something beyond this physical life. Call it our conscience being aware before and after our physical life or a spiritual realm.
We are studying this field more and more and the science is showing some indications that there maybe something to it.
Quantum physics points in that direction,
astrophysics indicates that there maybe something beyond what we see out in that dark space.
How the universe began brings up questions that move into areas that are beyond our material world. We are hitting a wall with the physical evidence and its now moving beyond this. We have reached a point where we are so close to how something can come from nothing and this is where we have to consider other possibilities because there isn't much else. The physical science has been at the for front and will still play a big part. But now its time to start to consider other possibilities to life and existence.
Multi universes where they say there are millions of other dimensions, String theory that has several dimensions, hologram theory has a 2 dimensional world like a flat screen TV. The possibility that our consciousnesses can exist beyond our bodies as stated by some scientists. This new theory is called bio centrism and has as much validity as multi universe or hologram theories. It has been covered by scientists who talk directly about how the finely tuned univrse points to something beyond our reality and in quantum physics showing that there could be other dimensions at work besides our reality. This is also being found with scientists who are doing experiments with NDE and collecting evidence at the moment.Thank you.
Examples?
eudaimonia,
Mark
How do you know its not true, how do you know what I am talking about are mistruths. The thing is people use to talk about life after death and it use to be this mystical thing that we couldn't grasp. But ever since time began we have been looking to the heavens and within ourselves for something. We havnt been able to put our finger on it but there has always been this yearning. I and many others including non religious people believe there is something beyond this physical life. Call it our conscience being aware before and after our physical life or a spiritual realm. We are studying this field more and more and the science is showing some indications that there maybe something to it.
Quantum physics points in that direction, astrophysics indicates that there maybe something beyond what we see out in that dark space. How the universe began brings up questions that move into areas that are beyond our material world. We are hitting a wall with the physical evidence and its now moving beyond this. We have reached a point where we are so close to how something can come from nothing and this is where we have to consider other possibilities because there isn't much else. The physical science has been at the for front and will still play a big part. But now its time to start to consider other possibilities to life and existence.
Multi universes where they say there are millions of other dimensions, String theory that has several dimensions, hologram theory has a 2 dimensional world like a flat screen TV. The possibility that our consciousnesses can exist beyond our bodies as stated by some scientists. This new theory is called bio centrism and has as much validity as multi universe or hologram theories. It has been covered by scientists who talk directly about how the finely tuned univrse points to something beyond our reality and in quantum physics showing that there could be other dimensions at work besides our reality. This is also being found with scientists who are doing experiments with NDE and collecting evidence at the moment.
Well I beg to differ if you refer to my previous post. Even if you question what they are saying there are a lot of scientists saying that there maybe something beyond our reality even prize winning scientists.Because scientists are simply NOT saying the kinds of things that you say they are. And this has been pointed out to you many times.
And now we have come to understand what they represent in a naturalistic world. And now we have even moved beyond that to a world beyond our reality as well. To have a truly open mind we need to allow for the possibility of something beyond our material world. Certainly the latest evidence points in that direction. It would be wrong to disallow this and restrict the possibility that something beyond the physical can help explain what we are seeing at the moment in quantum physics and our finely tuned universe.And we used to talk about the 'heavens' as if it was some solid barrier that stood over us. And we used to talk about the stars being fixed in this barrier and that one day those stars could/would fall to earth. And we used to talk about lightning being caused by angry gods.
Yes and we have such great knowledge now that we are at the door step of where something comes into existence from nothing and no amount of logical scientific experimentation will explain this. That science has done us well and will continue to. But there comes a point where we have to start to consider that there maybe other things at work besides the logical physics we know of and there may be some other forces at work beyond them. How else can you explain something from nothing.There are many 'mystical' things we used to consider. Better knowledge and understanding has swept those considerations aside.
Welll thats up for dispute as it seems that there is some evidence if not indirect at the moment. Remember we what we are dealing with here. Something that cannot be measured by the normal ways that our material world can be measured. So you cant treat it the same way to begin with. In fact science cannot even attempt to measure this. We have to approach this from a different angle and look at it with a open mind to truly understand and see if there is anything to it. But certainly there is a vast amount of indirect evidence that is accumulating.There is no doubt that human beings are predisposed towards seeking patterns - even if no pattern exists. We like, no demand, explanations for things. This has meant that we have preferred to come up with an explanation for death, even if it is an explanation lacking any evidence.
Once again I beg to differ. There are many scientists who will disagree.And here is your mistruth repeated. Science has produced NO such indications.
Once again you will have to refer to the links I have attached with my other post. You must not have understood quantum physics. A lot of what scientists are saying about quantum physics and reality points to whether our conscience makes it or reality makes us. The evidence from the quantum world would suggest that what we see isn't what really is and that there maybe more to existence than what we see. This is a fundamental thought with quantum physics.No it doesn't. Your wishing that it does is of no consequence.
Well what happened before the big bang and before time and space is something really beyond a physical universe. As before this there was no physical universe, space and time. This is linked to the other things they are finding out about with dark energy and dark matter and our finely tuned universe. All these things go beyond the normal measurements we can put on things with the science. So we cant really apply this method to these things. That is why scientists themselves are coming up with far fetched theories like multi universes and string theory. The theories they have are matching the evidence of what they are seeing. In other words they are finding some hard to explain things which are requiring explanations that are way beyond the normal ways we can explain things and measure things.Definitely. But that's entirely within the gambit of science. To investigate the physical universe.
Well sooner or later you may see the light.And around and around you go. Say it as many times as you like. You won't find any scientist involved in physics whose work will support your fantasy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGgvE6hLAU
Yeah Ive seen this and he doesn't address things. Its not only Lanza who is saying it now. We have prize winning scientsis as well. If you look at some of the things mainstream science is saying with things like multi universes there is little evidence for this as well and it stretches the imagination. Yet this is quite acceptable.Most physicists react to this in the same way that I react when people tell me that we only use 10% of our brains.
Yeah Ive seen this and he doesn't address things. Its not only Lanza who is saying it now. We have prize winning scientsis as well. If you look at some of the things mainstream science is saying with things like multi universes there is little evidence for this as well and it stretches the imagination. Yet this is quite acceptable.
I know you've seen it. The issue is that you ignore what Moriarty is saying because it is contrary to what you claim scientists are saying.
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