Studies find: Liberals lie, cheat, steal, more than conservatives

[InigoMontoja]

http://www.examiner.com/a-1419425~Peter_Schweizer__Conservatives_more_honest_than_liberals_.html

. . . When the World Values Survey asked a similar question, the results were largely the same: Those who were very liberal were much more likely to say it was all right to get welfare benefits you didn’t deserve. . .

. . . When the World Values Survey asked a similar question, the results were largely the same: Those who were very liberal were much more likely to say it was all right to get welfare benefits you didn’t deserve. . .

. . . A study in the Journal of Business Ethics involving 392 college students found that stronger beliefs toward “conservatism” translated into “higher levels of ethical values.” And academics concluded in the Journal of Psychology that there was a link between “political liberalism” and “lying in your own self-interest,” based on a study involving 156 adults . . .

. . . Liberals were more willing to “let others take the blame” for their own ethical lapses, “copy a published article” and pass it off as their own, and were more accepting of “cheating on an exam,” according to still another study in the Journal of Business Ethics. . .

Ponder this scenario, offered by the National Cultural Values Survey: “You lose your job. Your friend’s company is looking for someone to do temporary work. They are willing to pay the person in cash to avoid taxes and allow the person to still collect unemployment. What would you do?”





Almost half, or 49 percent, of self-described progressives would go along with the scheme, but only 21 percent of conservatives said they would

Tell me your thoughts.

 

[Isambard]

I wonder who is more likely to bomb the hell out of smaller countries for material gains..hmmm...

 

[stan1980]

I wonder who is more likely to bomb the hell out of smaller countries for material gains..hmmm...

Indeed!

Would it be fair to say Jesus, from what we know, was a liberal? Why do so few Christians act like Jesus, that's what I want to know?

 

[InigoMontoja]

Ah, it all makes sense now. Bush is the perfect liberal

I am not aware of any material gain that we have received from Operation Iraqi Freedom. I have only seen lots of our money spent on it. So I do not see what you are talking about.

 

[TheManeki]

Ah, it all makes sense now. Bush is the perfect liberal

Not to mention the antichrist.

 

[InigoMontoja]

Indeed!

Would it be fair to say Jesus, from what we know, was a liberal? Why do so few Christians act like Jesus, that's what I want to know?

Jesus believed in generosity and compassion for mankind, which would be a conservative principle.

Let's stay on topic here.

 

[Isambard]

Jesus believed in generosity and compassion for mankind, which would be a conservative principle.

Let's stay on topic here.

Except (American) conservatives are agaisnt generosity in terms of economics. Im pretty sure Jesus meant for christians to hlp their fellow actively instead of taking away individuals ability to defend themselves agaisnt structual contradictions.

Now that Ive had my joke agaisnt such a stupid poll, I'd like to remind you that of course liberals would be immoral in the conservative mind. Any poll constructed with conservative values will make liberals seem evil. It works both ways. In doesnt mean either is more 'immoral' than the other, it means this disagree which shouldve been bloody obvious.

fail.

 

[TheManeki]

Jesus believed in generosity and compassion for mankind, which would be a conservative principle.

Very interesting. How, exactly, are compassion and generosity conservative principles? It seems to me that both conservatives and liberals are for these things, but just have different methods of reaching them.

 

[keith99]

Tell me your thoughts.

My first thought is this entire article is based on a survey. It is people saying what they would do. I have ot wonder how much of the difference is that Liberals were more honest on the survey.

I'd be a whole lot more impressed if we had actual numbers for what either group actually did. Since one of the questions was cheating on taxes there might be a way to get that one. If a liberal calls something cheating on taxes while a conservative calles it taking an aggressive position, yet they both do the same thing I would see little difference between them.

Not saying the difference is not real. I suspect it is. I also suspect both groups can be sub-divided with interesting results.

 

[stan1980]

I am not aware of any material gain that we have received from Operation Iraqi Freedom. I have only seen lots of our money spent on it. So I do not see what you are talking about.

You're pretty short sited aren't you. When the oil starts to run low and indeed runs out, the American military machine will just be a heap of junk. I know it, they know, it seems you're the only one who doesn't know it. That's why America are in the middle east, and it has nothing to do with freeing Iraq. It's about having some control over the oil. If the American government really wanted to some good, they would have poured the money ($1trillion is it?) into more urgent causes... Africa for instance, not Iraq or Afghanistan.

Edit: When the oil runs out, you wont see America or any western countries going anywhere near the middle east. Until that is, when someone invents a way of powering cars and planes off sand. Then the cycle will start off all over again.

 

[selfinflikted]

My first thought is this entire article is based on a survey. It is people saying what they would do. I have ot wonder how much of the difference is that Liberals were more honest on the survey.

Exactly what I was thinking. Oh the irony.

 

[stan1980]

My first thought is this entire article is based on a survey. It is people saying what they would do. I have ot wonder how much of the difference is that Liberals were more honest on the survey.

Exactly what I was thinking. Oh the irony.

My first thoughts as well.

 

[keith99]

I think I'll add a little refinement after some thought. Just my thought, no proof. I think liberals may be more concerend with not lieing to their peers where conservatives find it more important to not lie to authority figures.

Now being an old school conservative I find both wrong and may even have a touch of liberal in this as I go with there being some mittigating factor to lieing to someone who is forcing or coercing me.

But I still think this valid food for thought.

 

[wanderingone]

Jesus believed in generosity and compassion for mankind, which would be a conservative principle.

Let's stay on topic here.

Generosity and compassion are conservative principles? Where?

 

[wanderingone]

Truly, I think liberals are more likely to acknowledge that certain things they do might constitute, cheating, lying, stealing etc.. legally, or bureaucratically, while conservatives see what others do as lying, cheating, stealing, but can't apply that to themselves. But I suspect conservatives would say the same thing about liberals.

 

[InigoMontoja]

Except (American) conservatives are agaisnt generosity in terms of economics. Im pretty sure Jesus meant for christians to hlp their fellow actively instead of taking away individuals ability to defend themselves agaisnt structual contradictions.

No they aren't. It's been found that American conservatives, despite earning on average 6% less than liberals, give about 30% more to charity (both secular and religious) than American liberals. It also found that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.
http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Now that Ive had my joke agaisnt such a stupid poll, I'd like to remind you that of course liberals would be immoral in the conservative mind. Any poll constructed with conservative values will make liberals seem evil. It works both ways. In doesnt mean either is more 'immoral' than the other, it means this disagree which shouldve been bloody obvious.

So you're saying that "not lying, not stealing, and not cheating" are conservative values?

Very interesting. How, exactly, are compassion and generosity conservative principles? It seems to me that both conservatives and liberals are for these things, but just have different methods of reaching them.

I think I answer that in the response above.

Generosity and compassion are conservative principles? Where?

See above.

 

[TheManeki]

No they aren't. It's been found that American conservatives, despite earning on average 6% less than liberals, give about 30% more to charity (both secular and religious) than American liberals. It also found that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.
http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Except the article only talks about giving of money. It seems rather short-sighted to assume the only way to give to charity is to donate money, and exclude things like donating one's time. It makes me wonder how accurate this metric is.

 

[InigoMontoja]

Except the article only talks about giving of money. It seems rather short-sighted to assume the only way to give to charity is to donate money, and exclude things like donating one's time. It makes me wonder how accurate this metric is.

Reread the article. It talks about a lot more than that. Anyway, it's a tangent.

 

[LittleNipper]

You're pretty short sited aren't you. When the oil starts to run low and indeed runs out, the American military machine will just be a heap of junk. I know it, they know, it seems you're the only one who doesn't know it. That's why America are in the middle east, and it has nothing to do with freeing Iraq. It's about having some control over the oil. If the American government really wanted to some good, they would have poured the money ($1trillion is it?) into more urgent causes... Africa for instance, not Iraq or Afghanistan.

Edit: When the oil runs out, you wont see America or any western countries going anywhere near the middle east. Until that is, when someone invents a way of powering cars and planes off sand. Then the cycle will start off all over again.

We have oil deposits off the coast on New Jersey that might make the middle east worry. The problem is we also have people here who rather than regulate it's drilling, cry about the possibility of spills, etc...

 

[platzapS]

I am not aware of any material gain that we have received from Operation Iraqi Freedom. I have only seen lots of our money spent on it. So I do not see what you are talking about.

The Iraq war has been a bonanza for defense and Iraqi "reconstruction" companies. They've been able to do really crappy jobs with no oversight and rake in billions of taxpayer funds.