Students demand end to bullying by other students.

[OldWiseGuy]

'A sea of people everywhere': Students walk out to demand change

Oh wait. They didn't.

 

[Halbhh]

Didn't?

National School Walkout: Live Updates
(has nice photo too)
This is a NewYorkCity paper, and their local reporting says:
Thousands of students around New York, many backed by permission slips from their parents, walked out of their schools and converged on central locations — Columbus Circle, Battery Park, Brooklyn Borough Hall, Lincoln Center.

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[dqhall]

'A sea of people everywhere': Students walk out to demand change

Oh wait. They didn't.

They do not want to get gunned down with semi-auto guns. They are yet children and did nothing to deserve the Parkland massacre.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They do not want to get gunned down with semi-auto guns. They are yet children and did nothing to deserve the Parkland massacre.

And they should be treated as children, not as serious adults.

 

[RDKirk]

What does any of this discussion have to do with the topic title?

 

[MoonlessNight]

It's amazing what students simultaneously and independently decide to do with no prompting or encouragement from anyone.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They do not want to get gunned down with semi-auto guns. They are yet children and did nothing to deserve the Parkland massacre.

It seems to me that the effects of bullying is a far greater problem than school shootings; albeit much less dramatic.

Bullying and Suicide - Bullying Statistics

The statistics on bullying and suicide are alarming:

• Suicide is the third leading cause of death among young people, resulting in about 4,400 deaths per year, according to the CDC. For every suicide among young people, there are at least 100 suicide attempts. Over 14 percent of high school students have considered suicide, and almost 7 percent have attempted it.
• Bully victims are between 2 to 9 times more likely to consider suicide than non-victims, according to studies by Yale University.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What does any of this discussion have to do with the topic title?

The pieces will come together.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's amazing what students simultaneously and independently decide to do with no prompting or encouragement from anyone.

You don't seriously believe that do you?

 

[MoonlessNight]

You don't seriously believe that do you?

It's especially impressive how they can make professionally made signs and quickly decide on unified chants.

But what is shameful about this story is how some schools are punishing students by saying that they have unexcused absences, just because they didn't come to school on a school day without having a valid reason for not being there. They should support students in whatever they want to protest and let them protest for as long as there are issues to protest. (And as a side bonus if students were to protest everyday, it would be impossible for any student to get shot inside of a school.)

 

[iluvatar5150]

'A sea of people everywhere': Students walk out to demand change

Oh wait. They didn't.

Yeah, we tried that a few years ago, but a bunch of right-wingers got bent out of shape because they thought anti-bullying measures were backdoor (no pun intended) methods of promoting teh gheys.

Bullying legislation prompts opposition from conservative groups

(I'm positive we discussed this numerous times on this site, but the search function seems more limited now than it used to be, and I can't find anything)

And they should be treated as children, not as serious adults.

Wanting only serious adults to weigh in on a subject is rather at odds with your statements in the thread about firearms research.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's especially impressive how they can make professionally made signs and quickly decide on unified chants.

Yeah, because either of those take a long time.

 

[Halbhh]

'A sea of people everywhere': Students walk out to demand change

Oh wait. They didn't.

Wow, just saw this detail from your link:

Walkout goes global
From Israel to Tanzania, students across the globe also left their classrooms Wednesday in solidarity with the American students' movement. ...

How interesting! I will want to see this so I'll have to look up video or watch the evening news some.

It's great that in diverse places young people really care about others enough to be showing it this way.

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[ThatRobGuy]

Yeah, we tried that a few years ago, but a bunch of right-wingers got bent out of shape because they thought anti-bullying measures were backdoor (no pun intended) methods of promoting teh gheys.

Bullying legislation prompts opposition from conservative groups

(I'm positive we discussed this numerous times on this site, but the search function seems more limited now than it used to be, and I can't find anything)

Yep, it would seem that many folks only want to invoke "bullying is the cause" logic when it serves the purpose of deflecting blame away from the gun lobby.

If there were no guns involved in this particular conversation, and it was just a conversation about bullying in general, many of the same folks would be claiming that "they're just trying to coddle them" and "the kids need to toughen up" and of course, the aspect that you mentioned, which is that the groups that happen to be the target of the most severe bullying just so happens to be the group that many right-wing folks feel they have a moral obligation to publicly criticize and ostracize and suggesting otherwise prompts them to make accusations about people being "overly-PC" and/or "leftist ploys to attack Christianity".

From a personal perspective, I don't think that anyone, who makes a fuss about FRC being on the SPLC hate map, has any room to talk about the subject of bullying.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It's especially impressive how they can make professionally made signs and quickly decide on unified chants.

The Tea Party rallies did the same thing didn't they?...yet they still claimed to be a spontaneous grassroots movement.

What are you getting at?

I don't know why there's this notion that protests/movements from the right wing are always organic and 100% grassroots, yet, anything that comes from the left wing and it's just assumed that 'someone put them up to it', or "it was organized by the globalists", "George Soros...." etc... etc...

I think it's a fairly arrogant position to have to always just assume that a independently thinking person can't come to a conclusion different to one's own.

Are some people encouraged to get involved with certain things by peer pressure or by believing propaganda without doing research, sure...however, that's not a problem that's exclusive to the left. For every liberal kid who participated in a walk-out for a left wing cause, there's a right wing adult who formed their opinion based on literature from "Americans for Prosperity" or some right wing radio program.


At least the kids have an excuse, they're only 16 years old...I expect them to be more impressionable...what's the excuse for the 58% of republican adults who believed the birther theories?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wow, just saw this detail from your link:

Walkout goes global
From Israel to Tanzania, students across the globe also left their classrooms Wednesday in solidarity with the American students' movement. ...

How interesting! I will want to see this so I'll have to look up video or watch the evening news some.

It's great that in diverse places young people really care about others enough to be showing it this way.

It's called a "flash mob".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Wanting only serious adults to weigh in on a subject is rather at odds with your statements in the thread about firearms research.

Not sure I know what you are referring to. Remind me where I said something contradictory and I'll address it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yep, it would seem that many folks only want to invoke "bullying is the cause" logic when it serves the purpose of deflecting blame away from the gun lobby.

The presence of guns doesn't lead to bullying, however bullying may lead to the presence of guns (it's a logic thing).

 

[iluvatar5150]

Not sure I know what you are referring to. Remind me where I said something contradictory and I'll address it.

Your entire approach in that thread has been to reject the experience of the "serious adults" who actually understand the science and who understand how to construct thorough research studies, instead favoring some sort of haphazard folksy approach that, I infer, can be conducted by nearly anybody.

You seem to expect the protesting students to keep their positions grounded in facts and research, yet are allow yourself the luxury of entertaining factless dogma.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Your entire approach in that thread has been to reject the experience of the "serious adults" who actually understand the science and who understand how to construct thorough research studies, instead favoring some sort of haphazard folksy approach that, I infer, can be conducted by nearly anybody.

You seem to expect the protesting students to keep their positions grounded in facts and research, yet are allow yourself the luxury of entertaining factless dogma.

So I didn't actually defer to the judgment of kids, did I.

I do challenge the experts (the bean counters) as they don't know what they're talking about regarding gun violence because they have never taken the time to study the issue. If they had they would come to different conclusions. What is telling is that our legislators seems to have a pretty good grasp of the issue based on the fact that they discount most of the advise of the experts. Let's just hope they continue.