Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
NewCreatureinChrist said:....let us go to part two of his paper "The Estate Of Marriage" circa 1522
"
three grounds for divorce. The first, is the situation in which the husband or wife is not equipped for marriage because of bodily or natural deficiencies of any sort.
The second ground is adultery. Here you see that in the case of adultery Christ permits the divorce of husband and wife, so that the innocent person may remarry. For in saying that he commits adultery who marries another after divorcing his wife, "except for unchastity," Christ is making it quite clear that he who divorces his wife on account of unchastity and then marries another does not commit adultery.
Some are spiritual, teaching righteousness in the sight of God, such as love and obedience; people who obeyed these commandments did not thrust away their wives and never made use of certificates of divorce, but tolerated and endured their wives' conduct.
Others are worldly, however, drawn up for the sake of those who do not live up to the spiritual commandments, in order to place a limit upon their misbehaviour and prevent them from doing worse and acting wholly on the basis of their own maliciousness.
Accordingly, he commanded them, if they could not endure their wives, that they should not put them to death or harm them too severely, but rather dismiss them with a certificate of divorce. This law, therefore, does not apply to Christians, who are supposed to live in the spiritual government. In the case of some who live with their wives in an un-Christian fashion, however, it would still be a good thing to permit them to use this law, just so they are no longer regarded as Christians, which after all they really are not.
Thus it is that on the grounds of adultery one person may leave the other, as Solomon also says in Proverbs 18, "He that keepeth an adulteress is a fool". We have an example of this in Joseph too. In Matthew 1 [:19] the gospel writer praises him as just because he did not put his wife to shame when he found that she was with child, but was minded to divorce her quietly. By this we are told plainly enough that it is praiseworthy to divorce an adulterous wife. If the adultery is clandestine, of course, the husband has the right to follow either of two courses. First, he may rebuke his wife privately and in a brotherly fashion, and keep her if she will mend her ways. Second, he may divorce her, as Joseph wished to do. The same principle applies in the case of a wife with an adulterous husband. These two types of discipline are both Christian and laudable.
You may ask: What is to become of the other [the guilty party] if he too is perhaps unable to lead a chaste life? Answer: It was for this reason that God commanded in the law [Deut. 22: 22-24] that adulterers be stoned, that they might not have to face this question. The temporal sword and government should therefore still put adulterers to death, for whoever commits adultery has in fact himself already departed and is considered as one dead.
Therefore, the other [the innocent party] may remarry just as though his spouse had died, if it is his intention to insist on his rights and not show mercy to the guilty party. Where the government is negligent and lax, however, and fails to inflict the death penalty, the adulterer may betake himself to a far country and there remarry if he is unable to remain continent. But it would be better to put him to death, lest a bad example be set.
NewCreatureinChrist said:"A. Martin Luther
Few men have had a higher view of marriage than Luther.
NewCreatureinChrist said:...Cindy, do you believe in Universalism (ie, the belef that the saved, unsaved and all will eventually be reconciled to God)?
NewCreatureinChrist said:Did Wilcox give you the false notions about Luther?
Wondering where all that came from. Thanks.
NewCreatureinChrist said:"A. Martin Luther
an adulterer "has already been divorced, not by man but by God Himself, and separated not only from his wife but from this very life
NewCreatureinChrist said:"In his interpretation of the teachings of Paul, Luther believed that if a Christian hinders a believing spouse from following Christ, divorce is in order, with remarriage a viable option.
NewCreatureinChrist said:"On the other hand, should the Christian divorce the unbeliever for other causes, there must be reconciliation or the maintenance of a celibate state.35 Anger was also a just cause. If a husband and wife could not live together harmoniously, but only in hatred and continual conflict, let them be divorced. Once more, however, reconciliation or celibacy were preferred. Nonetheless, in such cases, if a spouse did not desire reconciliation and the other was unable to remain chaste, the latter should remarry, for "God will not demand the impossible."36"
NewCreatureinChrist said:....Also, when is the following true: "a marriage can be dissolved and ALL parties free to remarry"Thanks again!
Wow, I guess Luther didn't care about Paul's (The Lord's) admonishment to remain UNMARRIED or be reconciled. Instead, Luther chose to teach a faithless walk, believing the Lord is not able to KEEP one from falling, so instead, they should rather disobey and feed the flesh. Sounds very much like what is being taught in the churches today.
Svt4Him said:when God said it was ok to marry after divorce.
Endless said:Where did God say that it was ok to remarry? please post some scripture where it says that. I've not found it and we're still struggling.
Thanks for your help.
~M
NewCreatureinChrist said:"Well, I believe the only time that could occur would be when two people enter into an UNLAWFUL marriage......incestual, adulterous remarriage, homosexual marriage,etc. In essence, it would be an annulment---since such marriages are not lawful in God's eyes."
Where is the scripture on the "annulment"?
Also, where is the scripture on Unlawful marriage?
Please, no "church fathers" stuff as it is helpful but not scripture.
Thanks in advance!
Chris
lastblast said:Well, I believe the only time that could occur would be when two people enter into an UNLAWFUL marriage......incestual, adulterous remarriage, homosexual marriage,etc. In essence, it would be an annulment---since such marriages are not lawful in God's eyes.
If two people marry lawfully and the union is joined by God into ONE (not joined by each other, but by God), that union cannot be dissolved except by death. (Rom. 7:2-3, I Cor. 7:39). Any relationship that occurs before that time is adultery because the relationship has not been dissolved BY GOD through the means He has deemed acceptable, death. Just what I have gleaned through very extensive study on the topic. I know others differ with me, but each will have to stand before the Lord someday and answer for ourselves. Thanks for the nice dialogue NewCreatureinChrist.Blessings in Him, Cindy
Svt4Him said:An unlawful marriage was dissolved through putting away.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?