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Struggles with Calvinism

setst777

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setst RE: The Scriptures teach throughout (OT and NT) that we must first believe in Jesus in order to be saved.

For instance:


John 3:16-18 (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

What you are proposing contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture in order to hold onto your own reasoning...

You own reasoning is teaching you to accept that God saves you so you can believe in Him. That is the opposite of what Scripture teaches us. Yet you discredit God's Word on the matter as promoting self-righteousness. God calls this humility.

Luke 18:10-14 (NIV)
10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and
those who humble themselves will be exalted.
 
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Dave L

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My last article Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel? Was 103 words.
Albert says;

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

- Albert Einstein

God says;

“He who restrains his words has knowledge, And he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.” Proverbs 17:27–28 (NASB95)

“For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool’s voice is known by multitude of words.” Ecclesiastes 5:3 (KJV 1900)

“For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God.” Ecclesiastes 5:7 (KJV 1900)
 
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If you read free will into scripture, you can make it read differently than intended.
 
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In your post #329, twin, you said that I was WRONG, that I come with presumptions, that I obviously build straw men, and that I don't know what Calvinism teaches

After that I pointed out your arrogance and hubris, and I still do
And I suppose that you don't come across as arrogant on here. The fact that I disagree with you makes me arrogant?
 
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twin1954

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But OTHERS can allow a surgeon to operate on them - how did this patient DO WHAT OTHERS CANNOT DO?
The Scriptures speak more about our unwillingness than about our inability. Though they do clearly teach our inability. It isn't really about if we cannot come, it is about the truth that we will not come to Christ that we might have life.

In the quote above you put words in my mouth. It wasn't my analogy. I only commented on it.
 
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I do not deny the Trinity. 1st John 5:7 is a disputed verse by some, but does spell it out clearly. Oneness Pentecostals and Trinitarians do deny the Trinity, they are wrong, but do not deserve execution because of their beliefs, as Calvin had Servetus executed.
 
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The source of her pain in was evident in the title of the thread.
But all of us should have consoled her instead of going on the attack.

Her questions should have been posted in the Ask a Calvist forum where she could have gotten answers from Calvinsts rather than a whole bunch of attacks on Calvinism. She could have then made up her own mind on the issues.
 
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The old tired Servetus argument. You need to actually read the history of that occurrence instead of making a false claim.

Calvin sought mercy for Sevetus. He tried to get him to recant his heresy. Servetus was well known in Europe for his heresy and knew going in that the rulers of Geneva would put him to death if he went there. He went anyway.

Calvin didn't murder Servetus the rulers of Geneva did.

Moreover, you simply cannot judge history from your modern perspective. It has a context and a culture that must be understood.
 
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There is a preponderance of scriptures WARNING us, make your calling and election sure, "lest I be a castaway", "ye are fallen from grace"

All these warnings, meaningless if one cannot fall from grace.
Each of those quotes has a context. You assume too much.
 
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The patient has done what others may not do

How so?
The doctor can save the patient only if the patient allows him to. That puts the onus on the patient and therefore he saves himself when he allows the doctor to operate on him.
 
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If belief in free will is a "filter", then the majority of Christians, present and throughout history, have this "filter", and the only ones who do not are the Calvinists who deny free will.
That may be but free will is the default thinking of natural man. Man naturally want to take control of their destiny and rob God of His glory. Read Rom. 1 and Rom. 3.
 
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Now you assume, twin, that I have NOT READ THE HISTORY OF THE SERVETUS INCIDENT.

I have read it, I have posted in this thread about my awareness that Calvin wanted beheading rather than burning. I am aware that Calvin tried to get Server is to recant
 
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