Strivonism: A New Theology

[Albion]

Unitarianism has already been invented, James, so I'm wondering if creating your own religion, regardless of doctrine, is the part of your project that appeals to you the most.

So I have been revising my idea for a new sect and would love some help revising it and incorporating ideas. You do not have to believe in what I say, I would just like help revising it, organizing the idea, and setting it in stone.

The main tenets are:
1. The Universe was made perfectly imperfect by God so that we can build a version of His Kingdom here.
2. That Math and Science are the true word of God
3. The Bible is to be used to teach us how to use His word and not take everything in it verbatim as it is written by many who tend to contradict each other.
4. God purposely made the universe imperfect so we can fix and build His Kingdom here as best we can to get closer with Him.
5. Jesus and His death is what gave us light of what we should be like to build/ fix the universe and only though Him can we achieve perfection.
6. We can never achieve the perfection we strive to, yet we still do so out of love and respect to the Lord knowing that only through Him we can achieve the perfection we strive towards.
7. No religion is more right than the other and we can interact with each other as long as it helps aid in the blueprint the Lord left to us.
8. The explanation for different religions, in the eyes of Strivonism, is that the Lord purposely came to the different peoples of the world differently just to see if we can cooperate with each other even if we differ on deep things.
9. God does not get directly involved but instead gives us hints to what we need to do.

Thanks for your help

 

[Soyeong]

The main tenets are:
1. The Universe was made perfectly imperfect by God so that we can build a version of His Kingdom here.

I would agree that God wants us to build His Kingdom and that if He had not intentionally left good for us to do, then we would literally be good for nothing.

2. That Math and Science are the true word of God

Math and science can tell us all about how the world works, but they can't tell us anything about what ought to happen. For instance, math and science can tell us what will happen if we cooperate with each other, but they can't tell us that we ought to cooperate with each other. If God wants us to cooperate with each other, then He needs to use a method other than math and science to communicate that.

3. The Bible is to be used to teach us how to use His word and not take everything in it verbatim as it is written by many who tend to contradict each other.

Such as?

4. God purposely made the universe imperfect so we can fix and build His Kingdom here as best we can to get closer with Him.

Doing good does not necessarily bring us closer to God. We come closer to God by faith and love and doing good is only the means by which that happens.

5. Jesus and His death is what gave us light of what we should be like to build/ fix the universe and only though Him can we achieve perfection.
6. We can never achieve the perfection we strive to, yet we still do so out of love and respect to the Lord knowing that only through Him we can achieve the perfection we strive towards.

His death and resurrection.

7. No religion is more right than the other and we can interact with each other as long as it helps aid in the blueprint the Lord left to us.

This is obviously false. How do you know what this blueprint is? Many religions are mutually exclusive and whatever the blueprint is, they would help aid it to greater or lesser degrees, so some religions are more right than others.

8. The explanation for different religions, in the eyes of Strivonism, is that the Lord purposely came to the different peoples of the world differently just to see if we can cooperate with each other even if we differ on deep things.

Saying that a religion is false doesn't mean that every last thing that it teaches is false. The Bible doesn't include an exhaustive list of everything that is wise, so there still is wisdom in other religions, but again, I don't think it would be accurate to say that each religion has an equal amount of wisdom. And again, where do you get the value of cooperation from? Would religions where people are more inclined to cooperate with others be more right than others?

 

[juvenissun]

What???
Good is not the same as perfect.
Lots of "good" things arent perfect. In my experience, ALL good things are imperfect in some way.

God IS perfect.
When God says something is good, it is then perfect.

These are definitions. There is no need to argue on that.

 

[durangodawood]

God IS perfect.
When God says something is good, it is then perfect.

These are definitions. There is no need to argue on that.

Those are not definitions.
The definition of "good" is not "perfect".

 

[Wgw]

So I have been revising my idea for a new sect and would love some help revising it and incorporating ideas. You do not have to believe in what I say, I would just like help revising it, organizing the idea, and setting it in stone.

The main tenets are:
1. The Universe was made perfectly imperfect by God so that we can build a version of His Kingdom here.
2. That Math and Science are the true word of God
3. The Bible is to be used to teach us how to use His word and not take everything in it verbatim as it is written by many who tend to contradict each other.
4. God purposely made the universe imperfect so we can fix and build His Kingdom here as best we can to get closer with Him.
5. Jesus and His death is what gave us light of what we should be like to build/ fix the universe and only though Him can we achieve perfection.
6. We can never achieve the perfection we strive to, yet we still do so out of love and respect to the Lord knowing that only through Him we can achieve the perfection we strive towards.
7. No religion is more right than the other and we can interact with each other as long as it helps aid in the blueprint the Lord left to us.
8. The explanation for different religions, in the eyes of Strivonism, is that the Lord purposely came to the different peoples of the world differently just to see if we can cooperate with each other even if we differ on deep things.
9. God does not get directly involved but instead gives us hints to what we need to do.

Thanks for your help

On points 1, 4 and 5 these are essentially redundant.

On point 2, did Math and Science rherefore become incarnate? (see John 1:1-14)

On point 3, it seems to me that "using" the person of our Lord, the incarnate Logos, might strike some as irreverent.

At any rate it is not often someone invents a new sect for me to criticize, so for that, I salute you.

 

[juvenissun]

Those are not definitions.
The definition of "good" is not "perfect".

When God says "good", it means perfect. It is a new definition and is not debatable.

Even though, we still can try to understand "why" is it perfect from human's point of view. That would be another issue (leaving the topic of the OP). Like someone suggested, in that case, we need to define the perfect first.

Perfect to me is: something which could not become any better according to our current knowledge (may be define "better" first?). Is the earth in a perfect condition? It is very very complicated, but I think it is. Just look at other planets, then you can roughly appreciate it.

 

[asherahSamaria]

. It is a new definition and is not debatable.

When I hear that something is "not debatable" it just seems to mean "I won't listen to anything you say".

 

[juvenissun]

When I hear that something is "not debatable" it just seems to mean "I won't listen to anything you say".

It is a definition. Do you want to debate a definition?

 

[asherahSamaria]

It is a definition. Do you want to debate a definition?

It's "your" definition. When you said "When God says "good", it means perfect" that's your spin on it. I would have thought any deity worth it's salt would have been capable of communicating in a way where interpretation of meaning wasn't needed.

 

[durangodawood]

When God says "good", it means perfect. It is a new definition and is not debatable....

So "good" doesnt mean "good" in the Bible.
Is this your personal theology, or is there a legit translation issue?

 

[Chriliman]

So "good" doesnt mean "good" in the Bible.
Is this your personal theology, or is there a legit translation issue?

It's a matter of perspective. From a perfect God's perspective, everything is perfectly as He intended it to be. From an imperfect human's perspective, everything is as imperfect or perfect as defined by his limited perspective.

God has an unlimited perspective, humans have a limited perspective, thus the difference in what perfection means is dependent on either perspective.

You can never view perfection as God views it, simply because you are not God.

 

[juvenissun]

It's "your" definition. When you said "When God says "good", it means perfect" that's your spin on it. I would have thought any deity worth it's salt would have been capable of communicating in a way where interpretation of meaning wasn't needed.

All right.
God is perfect.
Is this still "my" definition, but is not a definition in Christianity?

 

[juvenissun]

So "good" doesnt mean "good" in the Bible.
Is this your personal theology, or is there a legit translation issue?

The word "good" used in Genesis 1 is special. It means "perfect".

We can talk about WHY are God's creations perfect from human point of view. Because they can not be any better.

You said the electron is perfect. I agree. I said the earth was (when created) also perfect.

 

[durangodawood]

Actually I've been working on a better electron. To be unveiled soon.....