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I hear this term alot but haven't been able to pick up the exact meaning...
Can someone provide same?
Can someone provide same?
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Strawmen...
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JM: A strawman is basically redefining your opponents argument (incorrectly) so as to make it vulnerable to an easy refutation.Bushido216 said:
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Yeah.
an example is the 747 from a graveyard.
The strawman is created by saying that Evolution is like a tornado in a junkyard constructing a 747. (It is not, which is why its a strawman)
They might them proceed to burn the strawman by showing the impossible odds of this event happening.
Although to those that dont know, they appear to have made a great point, but all they have really done is destroy their own false version of evolution.
an example is the 747 from a graveyard.
The strawman is created by saying that Evolution is like a tornado in a junkyard constructing a 747. (It is not, which is why its a strawman)
They might them proceed to burn the strawman by showing the impossible odds of this event happening.
Although to those that dont know, they appear to have made a great point, but all they have really done is destroy their own false version of evolution.
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JM: What's so hard to understand? An argument that is redefined incorrectly so as to make the argument easy to refute. There, I've left out the 3rd person.Bushido216 said:
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An example of a strawman argument would be like Kent Hovind claiming "evolutionists think you came from rocks". He tries to justify this argument by claiming that the original Earth was rocky in which life somehow formed and then eventually evolved into people, therefore "we came from rocks".
However, this argument plants the idea in people's heads of a rock spontaneously turning into a person, which they see (outside of Genesis) as being absurd. Thus, he claims victory over evolution, even though the real theories behind these ideas are a wee bit more complicated than that.
However, this argument plants the idea in people's heads of a rock spontaneously turning into a person, which they see (outside of Genesis) as being absurd. Thus, he claims victory over evolution, even though the real theories behind these ideas are a wee bit more complicated than that.
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I had a website that explains most of the logical fallacies you will encounter and how to avoid them. Apparently, I can't post it until I have 15 posts. So, until then, hello board! 
A straw man attack is to wrongly define your oponent's position and then demolish the position you have characterized him to have. I think JM sums it up well.
A straw man attack is to wrongly define your oponent's position and then demolish the position you have characterized him to have. I think JM sums it up well.
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this one?
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/
basically the idea behind a strawman, is it is like a weak opponent. Instead of attacking you, the opponent constructs a strawman that is easy to defeat, which he then does so. however in hacking at hsi strawman, he doesn't do anything to your argument at all.
http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/
basically the idea behind a strawman, is it is like a weak opponent. Instead of attacking you, the opponent constructs a strawman that is easy to defeat, which he then does so. however in hacking at hsi strawman, he doesn't do anything to your argument at all.
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now you have that site you should solemnly swear never to use a logical fallacy
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