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I had been handing out advance copies of my new book for free; the pastoral staff said I was welcome on campus. They were kind, and some of them even asked for photos and books, which I gave them and signed with a pen I borrowed from your son, Mark. He kindly lent it to me, we visited, and he too was very kind, very welcoming, and very gracious.
Having listened to the entire conference, I can tell you most definitely that is not what any of them were saying.From what I've heard MacArthur pretty much said that if you are charismatic you arent Christian. I disagree and really wish he wouldn't have done that. Probably could have been a lot of good come out of this but that statement alone pretty much shot down any credibility that his ministry has as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I'm not ready to call him a wolf, but immature is an appropriate word to describe his actions yet again.As for Driscoll - I have been contemplating for a couple of years now if he might be a wolf among sheep and I must say his immature actions at the SF conference puts me a little closer to thinking he might be.
It wasn't what the other JM said but the way the whole conference ramped up to a us vs. them kind of thing.
I don't see how MacArthur can avoid the invite to Seattle. Driscoll essential gave him full access and control, with Mark paying for it all, so he could make it. Driscoll even offered to step aside and allow MacArthurs friend Wayne Grudem, to do all the interaction on the subject.
What did Driscoll do at the SF conference that was immature?
Having listened to the entire conference, I can tell you most definitely that is not what any of them were saying.
I've come to deeply despise pentecostalism/charismatic/word of faith almost as much as romanism aka roman catholicism. I'm not at all sorry for saying that either.
You are making the same mistake as Mac here. It's a mistake to link all of Pentecostalism and charismatics to the word of faith movement. The word of faith movement is a false, apostate gospel. Charismatics are just those who believe that the gifts haven't ceased based on an interpretation of scripture.
He was there giving out free advanced copies of his book, borrows a pen from Mark (John's son) and signed copies. At first he had permission to do so but latter was asked to leave. It seems they had a problem with Mark praying with the men at the conference. I think it was inappropriate for him to just show up but it weird how the Pastorial team allow him to sign books and than had him booted.
That definitely sounded like a d-bag move on Driscoll's part.
He was given permission to handout his book and when folks started to pick it up and pray with him the volunteer secutiry told him to stop. He did. Attending the event may have been a poor decision but I make poor decisions all the time...I hope I'm not a dirt bag for doing so.
How can John MacArthur make such wide statements about the charismatic movement only to have Dr. Wayne Grudem teach for him?
For the record, I do not believe in modern "gifts."