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Stolen valor SCOTUSS decision

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Billnew, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. Billnew

    Billnew Legend

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    Read more: Lawmakers retarget ‘valor’ thieves after court rules bogus military boasts are free speech | Fox News

    Did they rule that lying about service is protected free speech as long as it doesn't gain the person financially?
    Because lying has never been protected as free speech.

    If a person writes it on an application and signs it as true it is making a false statement and is punishable.

    It is dispicable for any person to claim honors that only our war veterans should lay claim too. This is true for civilians(never served) but worse for veterans, who should know better. For drink or prestiege.
     
  2. cow451

    cow451 US-Russia Outreach Friendship League Supporter

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    Congress may be able to write a better law now that this one has been through the system. Sure hope so.
     
  3. TerranceL

    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Corporations are people, penalties are now taxes, and fraud is legal.

    What a great supreme court we have.
     
  4. Skaloop

    Skaloop Agnostic atheist, pro-choice anti-abortion

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    Lying's not necessarily fraud.
     
  5. Halossellar

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    There'd be a lot of people from this forum in prison now if lying was a crime.
     
  6. Drekkan85

    Drekkan85 Immortal until proven otherwise

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    Lying doesn't necessarily equal fraud. That's why they needed this specific act (plus, the legislators get to look all pro-military and macho) - lying for gain has been, and still is, fraud and already prosecutable. The fellow that they used this against didn't actually materially gain from his lies - I'd think that libertarians would be awfully wary about the government saying speech for speeches sake, which doesn't cause harm to anyone else, should be illegal.

    Your other two mischaracterizations are no better. Corporations are person-like entities for reasons historical and legal; that particular construction is necessary for modern business and, while a separate entity could be constructed legislatively, it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to update legislation and make sure you eliminated loopholes and potential glitches. As for penalties being taxes - it's perfectly easy to see how the health care penalty is a tax in the legal sense. Just because the government says, "It's not a tax" doesn't mean it's not.
     
  7. CyberPaladin

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    To be fair lying in general isn't illegal and this sort of law could easily be the start to a slippery slope to allow law enforcement an end run around or basic constitutional rights.

    I believe that would qualify as fraud because your employer hires you and therefore is paying you to do a job that this law doesn't require the person commiting desceit to recieve any sort of finicial benefit.

    Or they'll go a smarter and instead focus on the cases that would actaully qualify as fraud making tougher penalties say maybe sentence enhancement of 5 years added on for each incident.
     
  8. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person It's My Birthday!

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    I'm a Dog.
     
  9. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person It's My Birthday!

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  10. cow451

    cow451 US-Russia Outreach Friendship League Supporter

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  11. TerranceL

    TerranceL Sarcasm is kind of an art isn't it?

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    Or CBS.

    Or NBC

    Or CNN....
     
  12. durangodawood

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    And once again Roberts is the turncoat!
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  13. cow451

    cow451 US-Russia Outreach Friendship League Supporter

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    Illuminati bought and paid for.;)
     
  14. cow451

    cow451 US-Russia Outreach Friendship League Supporter

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    You lost me on that "inter-racial transfer of wealth". I like to hear more about it.

    And, Breitbart was making us look bad. He couldn't keep his lies straight.
     
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  15. Billnew

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    aw, you beat me to it.^_^
     
  16. Dale

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    What I'm trying to figure out is ...

    If it isn't illegal to claim a military medal you haven't earned, can it still be illegal to use someone else's trademark? It looks to me like the same logic could be used to throw out our whole trademark system.


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  17. Skaloop

    Skaloop Agnostic atheist, pro-choice anti-abortion

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    It would only be illegal (in both cases) if you were profiting from it. I can say Coca-Cola all day long, but it's not illegal.