Steve Munsey

[AudioArtist]

I watched him the other day and so wanted to youtube him to find out whether what I witnessed was common for him.

Seems it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuydWziggVM

I'm asking people to pray about this Prosperity Gospel situation, because it's turning people off Christianity all the time. Us Christians don't need to give anybody any reasons not to enter the faith. I'm not doing this to attack Steve Munsey or any other specific person; I honestly simply think Christians need to pray that people will stop using the name of Christ to make money in a dishonest fashion.

 

[dkbwarrior]

I watched him the other day and so wanted to youtube him to find out whether what I witnessed was common for him.

Seems it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuydWziggVM

I'm asking you people to pray about this Prosperity Gospel situation, because it's turning people off Christianity all the time. Us Christians don't need to give anybody any more reasons not to enter the faith. I'm not doing this to attack Steve Munsey or any other specific person; I honestly think Christians need to rise up in prayer so that people will stop using the name of Christ to make money in a dishonest fashion.

I think that this is a fallacious argument you are making. For two reasons:

1) The logic that one should or should not believe something due to how it may be perceived by others is foolish, unless we are talking about sin. Such logic would have kept the reformation from happening, and the Pentecostal movement, and every movement in between. It even would have kept Jesus from preaching.

2) It is not factually true. Three months ago, Christianity Today had a cover story called "Health And Wealth In Africa: How The Prosperity Gospel Is Taking A Continent By Storm". While Christianity has been declining in Western countries for some time, and we sit around in our wealthy decadent culture and criticize Gods restoration of knowledge to His church, it has exploded around the world over the past decade, to the consternation of those who oppose it. The authors of the article lamented that their evangelical missionaries spend 20 years to start a small church, and WOF has sprouted mega churches practically overnight in comparison, with some nations recording majorities of their populations now identifying as Christians.

Peace...

 

[Always in His Presence]

I believe if some people went after the lost and hurting with the same vigor as they do other ministries - there would be a whole lot more people in the Kingdom of God.

How brightly does your light shine by trying to blow out someone else's?

 

[AudioArtist]

I don't really understand what this issue is, I am asking people to pray for these preachers and the people watching them. It wasn't an argument. Lots of people don't "hunt" after any ministry, because it really isn't very hard to turn on the tv and see it in action fairly regularly. I don't hate these preachers or anything; they've just been corrupted by money, like anybody could be.

 

[dkbwarrior]

I'm asking people to pray about this Prosperity Gospel situation, because it's turning people off Christianity all the time. Us Christians don't need to give anybody any reasons not to enter the faith.

This is an argument, and it is what I responded too.

Peace...

 

[dkbwarrior]

...they've just been corrupted by money, like anybody could be.

This also is an argument, or a judgement if you will. You did not just ask for prayer.

Peace...

 

[Always in His Presence]

I don't really understand what this issue is, I am asking people to pray for these preachers and the people watching them. It wasn't an argument. Lots of people don't "hunt" after any ministry, because it really isn't very hard to turn on the tv and see it in action fairly regularly. I don't hate these preachers or anything; they've just been corrupted by money, like anybody could be.

How about - instead - praying for the lost - or going out into your community and helping people?

Same time - much different results.

 

[AudioArtist]

How about - instead - praying for the lost - or going out into your community and helping people?

Same time - much different results.

I think these two things are even more important, of course, but I still think this is a specific issue that could do with being prayed for.

 

[AudioArtist]

This is an argument, and it is what I responded too.

Peace...

Oh, okay, fair enough. I was just speaking from personal experience. There's nothing wrong with a wealthy, generous Church. There is something wrong with how certain things have been conducted by certain preachers, though, and their manipulative antics do turn off non-Christians and damage Christians from what I have experienced.

 

[simpleone]

I watched him the other day and so wanted to youtube him to find out whether what I witnessed was common for him.

Seems it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuydWziggVM

I'm asking people to pray about this Prosperity Gospel situation, because it's turning people off Christianity all the time. Us Christians don't need to give anybody any reasons not to enter the faith. I'm not doing this to attack Steve Munsey or any other specific person; I honestly simply think Christians need to pray that people will stop using the name of Christ to make money in a dishonest fashion.

I don't understand this...IMO - this is unfortunate...I don't wholly know this man's heart but its uneasy to watch this. There are more words I want to say but i have to control myself..

 

[zaksmummy]

I agree with you audioartist 100%. Dont let the word of faith people put you off, when you can see quite clearly what this man and many others like him are after with their "money seeds". (dont find that in the new testament)

It isnt just the money thing, although Jesus said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. There are also the dodgy teachings, which I wont go into now.

God will deal with these people in his own time and in his own way, dont fret about them, leave them to him.

I expect to get slatted for this opinion by some of the word of faith people so I wont be looking at this thread again.

Catrin xx

 

[Heartland]

I watched a few minutes of the clip on youtube, and it was obvious that the whole reason for the production was that it was some sort of special fund raising telethon. To watch that clip and then rail about them asking for money is just ridiculous. That's the whole purpose. Now as far as the theology of it, what little I could discern from out of the hystrionics, I do not personally agree with.

 

[dkbwarrior]

I watched a few minutes of the clip on youtube, and it was obvious that the whole reason for the production was that it was some sort of special fund raising telethon. To watch that clip and then rail about them asking for money is just ridiculous. That's the whole purpose. Now as far as the theology of it, what little I could discern from out of the hystrionics, I do not personally agree with.

Very good post!

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I believe if some people went after the lost and hurting with the same vigor as they do other ministries - there would be a whole lot more people in the Kingdom of God.

How brightly does your light shine by trying to blow out someone else's?

According to the Old Testament anyone who spoke falsely while claiming "thus saith the Lord" was to be stoned to death. The narrative about Hezekiah has nothing to do with teaching people an imperative to give money. I think this minister is lucky to be alive today when false doctrine is tolerated.

I think the OP has a point. People are rejecting God because they are hearing this stuff on tv instead of the Word of God.

 

[Tamara224]

Oh, okay, fair enough. I was just speaking from personal experience. There's nothing wrong with a wealthy, generous Church. There is something wrong with how certain things have been conducted by certain preachers, though, and their manipulative antics do turn off non-Christians and damage Christians from what I have experienced.

It's what everyone who doesn't have their head stuck in the sand has experienced, Audio.

 

[PastorDiane]

Pastor Steve Munsey comes from a long line ofpentacostal preachers that do not believe in wearing jewelry , tv, makeup, woman cutting their hair, he is in chicago with a huge congregation and doesn't need any helpo raising money, while Phil MUnsey his brother is out here in california, both broke free from the strangles of their legalism......secondly if you listen to them and you feel like giving into that ministry do you think that God will not bless it? Of course he will! Thirdly, each Pastor has a responsibility to handle the HOLY offerings or they will be held accountable. So to judge this, since the scriptures he used were accurate, you would have to know everyone's heart and all of their puproses, and that won't happen.

The bottom line is do them no harm and be sure not to cause trouble or back bite as it will cause you grief. God is big enough to handle any corruption!

 

[PastorDiane]

As far as any one rejecting God over this, that is not correct rejecting God has to do with heart issues, and it will always be something that causes the reject, it is spiritual, not natural, and that is why it is the job of the holy spirit to bring someone to Christ..... not you or any opinion of evangelism.....God used us but the results are his......

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Pastor Steve Munsey comes from a long line ofpentacostal preachers that do not believe in wearing jewelry , tv, makeup, woman cutting their hair, he is in chicago with a huge congregation and doesn't need any helpo raising money, while Phil MUnsey his brother is out here in california, both broke free from the strangles of their legalism......secondly if you listen to them and you feel like giving into that ministry do you think that God will not bless it? Of course he will! Thirdly, each Pastor has a responsibility to handle the HOLY offerings or they will be held accountable. So to judge this, since the scriptures he used were accurate, you would have to know everyone's heart and all of their puproses, and that won't happen.

The bottom line is do them no harm and be sure not to cause trouble or back bite as it will cause you grief. God is big enough to handle any corruption!

Nobody is questioning the accuracy of the Scriptures. The problem is how he misinterpreted the narrative to a personal application. To say Hezekiah's sacrifice of seven bulls means people are to give dollar amounts of sevens to him is like saying people should give dollar amounts of one's since Abraham sacrificed one ram. It's poor Bible interpretation. What's next to give dollar amounts of six's since the mark of the beast is 666?

BTW, you shouldn't fall for that idea of voodoo fear hexes if you question false doctrine from Munsey or any minister. That is mind control cult leaders use over weak willed people and it is unbiblical.

 

[HephzibahBenJudah]

I believe if some people went after the lost and hurting with the same vigor as they do other ministries - there would be a whole lot more people in the Kingdom of God.

How brightly does your light shine by trying to blow out someone else's?

Hallelujah!!! & Amen!!!

 

[DevotiontoBible]

As far as any one rejecting God over this, that is not correct rejecting God has to do with heart issues, and it will always be something that causes the reject, it is spiritual, not natural, and that is why it is the job of the holy spirit to bring someone to Christ..... not you or any opinion of evangelism.....God used us but the results are his......

Can you show me where the Bible tells us God uses anyone to preach false doctrine so He can get them saved?