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One thing that has struck me while lurking these forums is the amount of stereotypes I have encountered.

There seems to be so many apparently good christian people (and some non-christians) pre-judging people that they have never met based on stereotypes. For a good example, look at souljaboys rants in the threads about gay people, and a lot of the thing autumnleaf says about, well, everything.

How ethical is it to judge entire groups of people as stereotypes rather than individuals?

Sterteotypes can act as a very basic guide as to what to expect from a person, but there seems to be a distinct lack of recognition that people are individuals rather than just part of a group that is stereotyped.

Has anybody else noticed this? And what are your thoughts?
 

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One thing that has struck me while lurking these forums is the amount of stereotypes I have encountered.

There seems to be so many apparently good christian people (and some non-christians) pre-judging people that they have never met based on stereotypes. For a good example, look at souljaboys rants in the threads about gay people, and a lot of the thing autumnleaf says about, well, everything.

How ethical is it to judge entire groups of people as stereotypes rather than individuals?

Sterteotypes can act as a very basic guide as to what to expect from a person, but there seems to be a distinct lack of recognition that people are individuals rather than just part of a group that is stereotyped.

Has anybody else noticed this? And what are your thoughts?


I must admit I have been rather shocked by some of the stuff I have encountered on this forum, especially the racist bigots who come out with stuff that is totally outrageous and it is not moderated.

I think most of us are guilty, to some extent, of judging people as stereotypes rather than individuals, I know I do when confronted by an extreme fundamentalist Christian.
 
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I think its naive, and often down right dangerous, not to stereotype. I'm the type of guy who can meet a mugger's stare in a dark alley and he will probably walk away. Its not that I'm some superman, I'm more like the guy from the Death Wish movies where the punks size him up and sort of slink away. They could probably take him, but not without a fight. Why fight when an easier mark is probably just around the corner, or on the next bus/subway etc...

Society seems to be teaching people to be almost willfully naive about potentially dangerous people and situations.
 
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I think its naive, and often down right dangerous, not to stereotype. I'm the type of guy who can meet a mugger's stare in a dark alley and he will probably walk away. Its not that I'm some superman, I'm more like the guy from the Death Wish movies where the punks size him up and sort of slink away. They could probably take him, but not without a fight. Why fight when an easier mark is probably just around the corner, or on the next bus/subway etc...

Society seems to be teaching people to be almost willfully naive about potentially dangerous people and situations.

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I think its naive, and often down right dangerous, not to stereotype. I'm the type of guy who can meet a mugger's stare in a dark alley and he will probably walk away. Its not that I'm some superman, I'm more like the guy from the Death Wish movies where the punks size him up and sort of slink away. They could probably take him, but not without a fight. Why fight when an easier mark is probably just around the corner, or on the next bus/subway etc...

Society seems to be teaching people to be almost willfully naive about potentially dangerous people and situations.


There is a difference between avoiding the person in the dark ally and thinking something like all black people are involved in gangs and live in the ghetto. If you can't tell the difference then that is truely naiive, and downright dangerous.

I find this interesting because I'm often stereotyped because of the way I dress. It doesn't bother me much as I obviously understood what people would think when I adopted this style, but so many people arn't able to choose the way they are perceived (for example, people who arn't white). How fair is it to label them?
 
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There is a difference between avoiding the person in the dark ally and thinking something like all black people are involved in gangs and live in the ghetto. If you can't tell the difference then that is truely naiive, and downright dangerous.

I don't believe such things and I've never agreed with them.

I find this interesting because I'm often stereotyped because of the way I dress. It doesn't bother me much as I obviously understood what people would think when I adopted this style, but so many people arn't able to choose the way they are perceived (for example, people who arn't white). How fair is it to label them?

Let me give you an example. A friend of mine is a nice law abiding taxpaying citizen. He dresses up and looks like a biker. He has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. He was out riding his bike one day with his pistol tucked into his pants. Someone saw and called the police. The police pulled him over and drew their weapons on him. He didn't break any laws, traffic or otherwise to merit such treatment from the police, yet they did what they did because he appeared to represent a dangerous threat. He fit a stereotype. He said it wasn't right but I asked him how he expected people to treat him if he wanted to look like what people consider a bad guy should look.
 
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I don't believe such things and I've never agreed with them.

Never said you did, I'm just making the point that they are different senarios.

Let me give you an example. A friend of mine is a nice law abiding taxpaying citizen. He dresses up and looks like a biker. He has a permit to carry a concealed weapon. He was out riding his bike one day with his pistol tucked into his pants. Someone saw and called the police. The police pulled him over and drew their weapons on him. He didn't break any laws, traffic or otherwise to merit such treatment from the police, yet they did what they did because he appeared to represent a dangerous threat. He fit a stereotype. He said it wasn't right but I asked him how he expected people to treat him if he wanted to look like what people consider a bad guy should look.

Yeah...and? I'd be nervous too if I saw somebody riding around flashing a gun openly, regardless of what they are wearing. That isn't a reaction of a stereotype, but a reaction to seeing someone riding around with a gun.
 
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Yeah...and? I'd be nervous too if I saw somebody riding around flashing a gun openly, regardless of what they are wearing. That isn't a reaction of a stereotype, but a reaction to seeing someone riding around with a gun.

Really? So if you saw a police officer riding around with a gun you would have the exact same reaction?
 
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One thing that has struck me while lurking these forums is the amount of stereotypes I have encountered.

There seems to be so many apparently good christian people (and some non-christians) pre-judging people that they have never met based on stereotypes. For a good example, look at souljaboys rants in the threads about gay people, and a lot of the thing autumnleaf says about, well, everything.

How ethical is it to judge entire groups of people as stereotypes rather than individuals?

Sterteotypes can act as a very basic guide as to what to expect from a person, but there seems to be a distinct lack of recognition that people are individuals rather than just part of a group that is stereotyped.

Has anybody else noticed this? And what are your thoughts?

In the lack of any evidence, humans act on stereotypes as a heuristic (meaning a pretty good plan that does not always work). When, facing evidence that this person breaks your stereotype, or that your stereotype is in general wrong, you still hold strong to it, it becomes racism/sexism/ageism/what ever else you want to call it.
 
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Really? So if you saw a police officer riding around with a gun you would have the exact same reaction?

Oh you can't be serious. That has nothing to do with stereotypes. A police officer has to undergo legal processes and training and such in order just to don the uniform, let alone carry a weapon. And for the record, I am uneasy around officers carrying guns, but obviously arn't going to call the cops on them. But if I say somebody dressed in a smart suit and tie you'd better believe I'd be dialling 000 as fast as my fingers would move.

If you can't dininguise between this and stereotypes then perhaps you should do a bit more research. There is a diference between 'the evidence says' and 'the stereotype says'. Please learn this distinction before taking part in this thread, ta.
 
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Oh you can't be serious. That has nothing to do with stereotypes. A police officer has to undergo legal processes and training and such in order just to don the uniform, let alone carry a weapon. And for the record, I am uneasy around officers carrying guns, but obviously arn't going to call the cops on them. But if I say somebody dressed in a smart suit and tie you'd better believe I'd be dialling 000 as fast as my fingers would move.

If you can't dininguise between this and stereotypes then perhaps you should do a bit more research. There is a diference between 'the evidence says' and 'the stereotype says'. Please learn this distinction before taking part in this thread, ta.

Have you ever spoken with inner city black people about what they think about police? I have. They don't share your optimism. Especially those whose familiy members were gunned down by police.
 
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I think its naive, and often down right dangerous, not to stereotype. I'm the type of guy who can meet a mugger's stare in a dark alley and he will probably walk away. Its not that I'm some superman, I'm more like the guy from the Death Wish movies where the punks size him up and sort of slink away. They could probably take him, but not without a fight. Why fight when an easier mark is probably just around the corner, or on the next bus/subway etc...

Society seems to be teaching people to be almost willfully naive about potentially dangerous people and situations.
Careful….those lesbians always pack heat :D
 
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I think stereotyping (and prejudice and racism) are part of our human nature that we should struggle to overcome in the same way that we try to overcome greed and lust.

I wonder, though, why some Christians seem to work so hard and take such pride in their ability to overcome lust, work halfheartedly to overcome greed, and hang on to their stereotypes as if they were a good thing.
 
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One thing that has struck me while lurking these forums is the amount of stereotypes I have encountered.

There seems to be so many apparently good christian people (and some non-christians) pre-judging people that they have never met based on stereotypes. For a good example, look at souljaboys rants in the threads about gay people, and a lot of the thing autumnleaf says about, well, everything.

How ethical is it to judge entire groups of people as stereotypes rather than individuals?

Stereotypes can act as a very basic guide as to what to expect from a person, but there seems to be a distinct lack of recognition that people are individuals rather than just part of a group that is stereotyped.

Has anybody else noticed this? And what are your thoughts?

IMO, to understand stereotypes properly requires an appreciation for how we as humans evolved.

Tens of thousands of years ago, human knowledge was extremely limited compared to what it is today. Much of it was little more than cause-effect relations: Deer = food. Bright red frog = poison. River = drinking water. Lion = predator. Man of a different skin color = enemy. The problem is that millennia before the scientific method was invented, humans lacked the foreknowledge that you and I have to realize that tap water = relatively safe, untreated well water = less safe, river water = least safe.

Why did this evolve? Consider the Stone Age human who challenges the notion that "Man of a different skin color = enemy." Instead of running back to his camp and warning his tribe of an imminent attack, or taking his spear and killing the man, he attempts to negotiate. Unfortunately for him, that other man also believes "Man of a different skin color = enemy." So our first man receives a complimentary spear in his chest. He dies, so he cannot reproduce, so his mindset dies with him. The racists that remain back in the camp are the ones whose bloodlines, and thus mindsets, continue on.

Here's the other problem, as Stephen Jay Gould puts it in The Panda's Thumb: While cultural evolution has reached breakneck speeds in the last two centuries, Darwinian evolution hasn't accelerated one bit. This means that we are living in a Computer Age world with Stone Age minds: still powerful, but riddled with flaws. Thus the "Man of a different skin color = enemy" belief that is hardwired into the human mind has to be actively overcome.

That's right, I believe that racism is at least to some extent, innate. That's part of what makes it so darn hard to overcome. The same goes with stereotypes in general, to get back to the OP: They're simply a reflection of our Stone Age minds that do not always take the time to analyze the situation beforehand, so that we do not always have to make a heat-of-the-moment decision.

Even so, that is no excuse to stereotype. A more ethical conclusion to reach than "that's just the way it is," would be to realize that because of this weakness, the human mind needs to be actively trained to overcome stereotypes. We have to allow ourselves to be taught to assess individuals on their merits, which take time to learn; not race or gender, which we can learn immediately.

I think its naive, and often down right dangerous, not to stereotype. I'm the type of guy who can meet a mugger's stare in a dark alley and he will probably walk away. Its not that I'm some superman, I'm more like the guy from the Death Wish movies where the punks size him up and sort of slink away. They could probably take him, but not without a fight. Why fight when an easier mark is probably just around the corner, or on the next bus/subway etc...

See above.

Living in the 21st century, we have a whole host of options available to us that our Stone Age ancestors did not have: We can study a crime map to see where the most likely places in town to be mugged are. We can take martial arts (a somewhat less recent invention, but its current versions have evolved considerably since their early days). We can learn how to overcome stereotypes and assess people on a person-by-person, not group-by-group, basis.

Society seems to be teaching people to be almost willfully naive about potentially dangerous people and situations.

Though it is possible to go to the other extreme and ignore what really are bad situations, in my experience what's really going on there is simply miscommunication. It's important to follow up the line of "Don't be afraid of a black man on the street corner, simply because he is black, thus you feel like he could mug you or rape you." with, "But in the unlikely event he does something, you do have the right to defend yourself." See? This allows for the person struggling with stereotype issues to not let their fear convince them that they are being told not to defend themselves. Again, if we would assess people on a case-by-case basis, without regard to race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., we would do ourselves an ENORMOUS favor.

Careful….those lesbians always pack heat :D

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I think stereotyping (and prejudice and racism) are part of our human nature that we should struggle to overcome in the same way that we try to overcome greed and lust.

I wonder, though, why some Christians seem to work so hard and take such pride in their ability to overcome lust, work halfheartedly to overcome greed, and hang on to their stereotypes as if they were a good thing.

Oh. What a good question!
 
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Have you ever spoken with inner city black people about what they think about police? I have. They don't share your optimism. Especially those whose familiy members were gunned down by police.


Not in america, as it is the other side of the world from where I am. But as I've mentioned a few times, I'm studying to be a youth worker. Talking to kids like this is my job. There is a difference between stereotyping and recognising a valid threat.
 
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It's prejudging someone. When it comes to personal safety, even I am cautious.. though it isn't limited to race, and I don't live in the ghetto anymore. (It sucks.) We can all try to un-do it. I don't think it's racism or an evolutionary grounded "hate" for other skin colors. It's either a fear of the unknown or possibly known.
 
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