Steps toward civil discourse in this sub-forum

[Texas Lynn]

After reading Stumpjumper's reminder about proper conduct it occurs some additional guidelines are needed here. Some I might recommend could include:

1. No comparisons of LGBTs with pedophiles
2. No use of the denigrating term "gay lifestyle"
3. No accusations of persons "just wanting to sin" etc.
4. No claim one side of the debate is "the Christian" side
5. No use permitted of the trite accusation of "false teaching"
6. No attempting to claim authority over another poster
7. No blaming of groups for disease

That's just off the top of my head.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

As long as people stop claiming that I hate people, I'm good.
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[Texas Lynn]

As long as people stop claiming that I hate people, I'm good.

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Do you oppose civil rights protections for LGBTs?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

You mean like marriage? I don't support it, but I'm not really for putting Christian expectations on non-Christians. So not really. Anything else, like adoption and health benefits, I support. But I still think homosexual sex is a sin.

 

[Texas Lynn]

You mean like marriage? I don't support it, but I'm not really for putting Christian expectations on non-Christians. So not really. Anything else, like adoption and health benefits, I support. But I still think homosexual sex is a sin.

Much as I think you're wrong on marriage and what is sin I can accept that in saying this in particular you are not specifically acting out of hate. However, you may say something different at some time to indicate otherwise.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Much as I think you're wrong on marriage and what is sin I can accept that in saying this in particular you are not specifically acting out of hate. However, you may say something different at some time to indicate otherwise.

Guess I'll be careful then. I don't think I'm walking on eggshells though.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear TexasLynn,
Sound like you are here to attack Christianity more than argue about homosexuality.

1. No comparisons of LGBTs with pedophiles

Paedophilia is sexual sin. According to Jesus NT teaching everyone seems to be compared with such sin see Mark 7, Romans 1. Why should LGBT’s be exempt If they don’t know their sin they don’t know their salvation from it.
Mark 7:21 “For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly”
Yep my sin is compared with murder even.
You see paedophilia is sexual immorality just like adultery and same-sex sex is according to the Bible not least because it is outside God’s purpose for man and woman once the man has left his father and mother. If you are saying it isn’t then I would point you to Jesus Christ's teaching to repent.

2. No use of the denigrating term "gay lifestyle"

How about no use of the word gay.

4. No claim one side of the debate is "the Christian" side

How about no claim from one side of the debate that it is a Christian view when we can test is as not Christian value according to the Bible?

5. No use permitted of the trite accusation of "false teaching"

How about no evidently false teaching that is in direct and opposite contradiction to the Bible, such as same-sex unions?

That's just off the top of my head.

Thank goodness for that

 

[Polycarp1]

Dear TexasLynn,
Sound like you are here to attack Christianity more than argue about homosexuality.

Paedophilia is sexual sin. According to Jesus NT teaching everyone seems to be compared with such sin see Mark 7, Romans 1. Why should LGBT’s be exempt If they don’t know their sin they don’t know their salvation from it.
Mark 7:21 “For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly”
Yep my sin is compared with murder even.
You see paedophilia is sexual immorality just like adultery and same-sex sex is according to the Bible not least because it is outside God’s purpose for man and woman once the man has left his father and mother. If you are saying it isn’t then I would point you to Jesus Christ's teaching to repent.

How about no use of the word gay.

How about no claim from one side of the debate that it is a Christian view when we can test is as not Christian value according to the Bible?

How about no evidently false teaching that is in direct and opposite contradiction to the Bible, such as same-sex unions?

Thank goodness for that

Wow, a hat trick, and a "called shot" at that! Now, if someone described you as an arrogant, pompous Pharisee who strains at gnats while swallowing camels and completely ignores the commandments of Jesus Christ, you or another would be quick to report them. But you cavalierly reject a request for equal courtesy by others to whom you have been equally insulting.

In fact, I was debating whether to even respond to you ever again, after you decided to play semantic games with one of my posts instead of responding to the points I was trying to make. But the amount of callousness you have shown here masquerading as Christian behavior made me change my mind.

 

[jamielindas]

Dear TexasLynn,
Sound like you are here to attack Christianity more than argue about homosexuality.

Paedophilia is sexual sin. According to Jesus NT teaching everyone seems to be compared with such sin see Mark 7, Romans 1. Why should LGBT’s be exempt If they don’t know their sin they don’t know their salvation from it.
Mark 7:21 “For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly”
Yep my sin is compared with murder even.
You see paedophilia is sexual immorality just like adultery and same-sex sex is according to the Bible not least because it is outside God’s purpose for man and woman once the man has left his father and mother. If you are saying it isn’t then I would point you to Jesus Christ's teaching to repent.

So... whose rights are violated by homosexual sex? Whose rights are violated by homosexual marriage?

Arrogance and greed are both sins according to the bible, why are these not illegal?

(if you can't tell where I'm heading, the point is that our laws are based on rights... not on sins)

 

[jamielindas]

By the way, did everyone see that Gay Marriage is going to be legal in CA now!

 

[jamielindas]

My apologies to Texas Lynn...
My last two posts had nothing to do with the topic!

I'd like to add that one, which I too am clearly guilty off, to the list.
Staying on topic. It's so easy to go off on a tangent, particularly when you're trying to address some off color comment or misinterpreted statement.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Dear TexasLynn,
Sound like you are here to attack Christianity more than argue about homosexuality.

Proving once again your noncognizance of either.

Paedophilia is sexual sin. According to Jesus NT teaching everyone seems to be compared with such sin see Mark 7, Romans 1. Why should LGBT’s be exempt If they don’t know their sin they don’t know their salvation from it.

Mark 7:21 “For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly”
Yep my sin is compared with murder even.
You see paedophilia is sexual immorality just like adultery and same-sex sex is according to the Bible not least because it is outside God’s purpose for man and woman once the man has left his father and mother. If you are saying it isn’t then I would point you to Jesus Christ's teaching to repent.

An interesting tidbit of a non sequitur there.

How about no use of the word gay.

Can we then use Oscar Wilde's appelation "the love that dare not speak its name"?

How about no claim from one side of the debate that it is a Christian view when we can test is as not Christian value according to the Bible?

Because that's only your opinion and incapable of being other than.

How about no evidently false teaching that is in direct and opposite contradiction to the Bible, such as same-sex unions?

Same as above.

Thank goodness for that

I'm no semantician or anything. And I don't have time to ponder every injustice. But I have queer foster kids who will always point them out.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Wow, a hat trick, and a "called shot" at that! Now, if someone described you as an arrogant, pompous Pharisee who strains at gnats while swallowing camels and completely ignores the commandments of Jesus Christ, you or another would be quick to report them. But you cavalierly reject a request for equal courtesy by others to whom you have been equally insulting.

In fact, I was debating whether to even respond to you ever again, after you decided to play semantic games with one of my posts instead of responding to the points I was trying to make. But the amount of callousness you have shown here masquerading as Christian behavior made me change my mind.

Polycarp, thanks. I've considered "ignoring" certain posters but one mustn't turn away when injustice is being pursued just like Moses was unable to turn away at the mistreatment of a slave.

 

[Texas Lynn]

By the way, did everyone see that Gay Marriage is going to be legal in CA now!

Hallelujah! There's a thread on this in News & Current Events.

 

[KCKID]

By the way, did everyone see that Gay Marriage is going to be legal in CA now!

Oh my goodness ...Christians might blame Gay Marriage for the next CA earthquake.

 

[Phinehas2]

Hi Polycarp1,

Wow, a hat trick, and a "called shot" at that! Now, if someone described you as an arrogant, pompous Pharisee who strains at gnats while swallowing camels and completely ignores the commandments of Jesus Christ, you or another would be quick to report them. But you cavalierly reject a request for equal courtesy by others to whom you have been equally insulting.

Bless you, but I don’t need your opinion about me, I am here to debate the issues and have done with scriptural references to back up my argument. I have not referred to anyone specifically or given any personal remarks about them, only their views.
For your information most of the Pharisees disputed Jesus Christ’s teaching, some of which I have posted with references.

You are free to respond whether you like my views or not.

I have gave my views to each suggestion with scripture to support the view and as you have seemingly found it discourteous I can only assume you find the Bible passages discourteous as well.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Texas Lynn,

An interesting tidbit of a non sequitur there.

Sorry? In what way? Can you respond to the points I have made without a baseless comment. please?

Can we then use Oscar Wilde's appelation "the love that dare not speak its name"?

Not at all sex and love are different things.

Because that's only your opinion and incapable of being other than.

Again that is just a baseless comment, whether a view is Christian needs to be tested against the Biblical testimony, the forum advises this, if you can offer alternatives please do so .

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear KCKID,

Oh my goodness ...Christians might blame Gay Marriage for the next CA earthquake

Sorry but Christians know there is no such thing as ‘gay marriage’. Marriage is man and woman, male and female, husband and wife, bride and bridegroom, the Bible is full of these countenanced, it is God's creation purpose (Genesis 2) Gay means having a same-sex attraction, the two are not connected.

 

[Mskedi]

After reading Stumpjumper's reminder about proper conduct it occurs some additional guidelines are needed here. Some I might recommend could include:

1. No comparisons of LGBTs with pedophiles
2. No use of the denigrating term "gay lifestyle"
3. No accusations of persons "just wanting to sin" etc.
4. No claim one side of the debate is "the Christian" side
5. No use permitted of the trite accusation of "false teaching"
6. No attempting to claim authority over another poster
7. No blaming of groups for disease

That's just off the top of my head.

I like all your suggestions, but I bolded the two that I think would be most helpful and most easy to enforce.

Paedophilia is sexual sin. According to Jesus NT teaching everyone seems to be compared with such sin see Mark 7, Romans 1. Why should LGBT’s be exempt If they don’t know their sin they don’t know their salvation from it.
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You see paedophilia is sexual immorality just like adultery and same-sex sex is according to the Bible not least because it is outside God’s purpose for man and woman once the man has left his father and mother. If you are saying it isn’t then I would point you to Jesus Christ's teaching to repent.

The reason it is not okay to compare the two is fairly obvious: pedophiles have victims whereas LGBT sex has partners. Likewise, adultery should not be compared with pedophilia -- consenting adults, no matter what they choose to do, are nothing like adults who prey on children.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Mskedi,

The reason it is not okay to compare the two is fairly obvious: pedophiles have victims whereas LGBT sex has partners. Likewise, adultery should not be compared with pedophilia -- consenting adults, no matter what they choose to do, are nothing like adults who prey on children.

On the contrary I have explained why we can make the comparison with all of us from the Bible, its because all are sexual immorality outside marriage. This is a Christian forum and thus we may use God's Biblical testimony as a basis for our views, whether people find it discourteous or not.
You are also asking for a special exemption for LGBT so they wont be compared, I see no similar request from those you call straight..