Stem Cells

[ChordatesLegacy]

Is that techno-jargon for murdering unborn babies?

Nope; that’s what the Old Testament god you love so much does, i.e. Murder babies.

The magical mystical biblical flood killed every baby in the world.

And we all know about your loving god killing babies in Egypt.

 

[Bombila]

By AV's standard of what constitutes a baby, God is still killing them by the million, given that somewhere around fifty percent of conceptions (that would be your egg/sperm combo that AV and others think is an ensouled human) don't make it past a week or so in the womb.

And, like AV's many repetitions of favourite scenarios, I'll mention one of my favourites - the masses of billions of less-than-gnat-sized embryonic souls flying around Heaven, creatures that have never had a human experience, hadn't more than a neural cell or two, if any, certainly never had a thought or an emotion...

Fantastical.

 

[AV1611VET]

And, like AV's many repetitions of favourite scenarios, I'll mention one of my favourites - the masses of billions of less-than-gnat-sized embryonic souls flying around Heaven, creatures that have never had a human experience, hadn't more than a neural cell or two, if any, certainly never had a thought or an emotion...

Are you an ex-Mormon?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that techno-jargon for murdering unborn babies?

Nope; that’s what the Old Testament god you love so much does, i.e. Murder babies.

You left a word out.

 

[Bombila]

Are you an ex-Mormon?

Uh...no.

I'm an ex-United Church of Canada (founded in 1925 by the merge of Presbyterian, Methodist and Congregationalist churches) protestant. While no longer an adherent, being agnostic, I'm quite proud of the UCC. They are a tolerant, socially responsible church with many very good people as members, including half my family.

The embryonic souls issue is one no Christian has ever addressed when I brought it up. Do the Mormons actually have a stated tenet regarding this?

 

[AV1611VET]

The embryonic souls issue is one no Christian has ever addressed when I brought it up. Do the Mormons actually have a stated tenet regarding this?

Yes --- I don't know if they call it "embryonic souls" though, but they believe souls are awaiting corporeal bodies to be created.

I think the Heaven's Gate outfit did too.

 

[Bombila]

Yes --- I don't know if they call it "embryonic souls" though, but they believe souls are awaiting corporeal bodies to be created.

I think the Heaven's Gate outfit did too.

Sounds like a version of reincarnation.

Heaven's Gate, another sad cult story. AV, I may argue with Christians, but I loathe cults, having lost several friends to various cults over the years. Mind you, one of them was a bizarre Christian cult - Army of God, I think.

So what do you believe happens with embryos wrt to an afterlife? I promise, just this once, I won't comment on your belief in a negative manner. I'm just curious.

 

[AV1611VET]

Heaven's Gate, another sad cult story. AV, I may argue with Christians, but I loathe cults, having lost several friends to various cults over the years. Mind you, one of them was a bizarre Christian cult - Army of God, I think.

I'm truly sorry to hear that.

So what do you believe happens with embryos wrt to an afterlife?

Would you restate please --- I didn't get that "wrt" part.

 

[Bombila]

"With regard to".

What do you think/believe happens to embryos that die in terms of heaven, the afterlife.

 

[AV1611VET]

"With regard to".

What do you think/believe happens to embryos that die in terms of heaven, the afterlife.

We teach that we are made in God's likeness and image; and just like God is three in one, we too are three in one: body, soul, and spirit.

An embryo is nothing more than the body --- which contains the soul and the spirit.

When an embryo dies, it goes back to the dust, and the soul and spirit go to Heaven.

At the Rapture, this embryo will be reunited with its [matured] body and soul for a brief period of time, then given a new, glorified body.

 

[Bombila]

Thank you for answering.

One further question: what do you believe is the difference between the spirit and the soul? Is the spirit entirely of God and the soul the essential human? (Just trying to get that straight - there's no point in assuming what people believe, IMO; much better to ask and find out.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you for answering.

One further question: what do you believe is the difference between the spirit and the soul? Is the spirit entirely of God and the soul the essential human? (Just trying to get that straight - there's no point in assuming what people believe, IMO; much better to ask and find out.)

I'm not sure --- they're used interchangeably in the Scripture at times; but as I understand it - (and this could be wrong) - the spirit is an angel assigned to a person at conception.

The tripartite nature (as it's called) is broken down like this:

body = soma = reacts to empirical data and gives us world-consciousness
soul = psyche = reacts to the mind, will, emotions and gives us self-consciousness
spirit = pneuma = reacts to God's Word and gives us God-consciousness
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When a person dies, the spirit goes back to Heaven and is reassigned a new person.

A good example of this is John the Baptist.

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

When Elijah was taken up to Heaven, his spirit was reassigned to John the Baptist. That's why John dressed and acted the way he did, and some even mistook him for Elijah.

Let me say though, that this is very dangerous teaching, as some use that to justify the way they are, and don't try to improve their lives.

It is the SOUL that has the final say in all matters --- meaning that a person is held responsible (and accountable) for the choices he makes or doesn't make in life.

The SOUL can (and does) override the SPIRIT.

Again --- I could be all wrong on this.

 

[Bombila]

Thanks again, AV.

I had thought John the Baptist/Elijah was supposed to be the rare event, though, but you seem to be saying that 'body reassignment' (or reincarnation) is more universal than that.

We'd better quit this soon, though, or we'll be 'reassigned' to GA, or worse, Theology, where I'm a non-person. ;-D

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks again, AV.

You're welcome ---

I had thought John the Baptist/Elijah was supposed to be the rare event, though, but you seem to be saying that 'body reassignment' (or reincarnation) is more universal than that.

It's not reincarnation --- reincarnation is the return of the soul.

We'd better quit this soon, though, or we'll be 'reassigned' to GA, or worse, Theology, where I'm a non-person. ;-D

LOL