Stem Cells

[stubeeef]

Once again, you dont answer the question..Would you want one of your children to receive treatment for a fatal illness if stem cells ( embryonic) were the only option or would you be willing to allow them to die knowing it is gods will. .

NO.

If it is Gods will and that by far is no secret that we are going to die,are we not also playing god by preventing a death as God intented by harvesting a organ from another person even if they are dead?

You can stall death/prolong life, but not prevent death. No you are not playing God, killing someone to get parts to prolong anothers life is playing God.

If that is your argument then why have the organ donor program at all?

I don't see any conflict. The donor program does not end life, it takes from death.

your comparison of stem cell reaserch and medicine to the victims if Nazi SS Dr. Mengela is disturbing and is a moot point as well as a slap in the face to his victims.

If you are simply removing the nucleus of a cell and replaicng it with another the cell still lives does it not? you are simply changing the DNA makeup of that cell, The argument against stem cell reaserch has shifted from the original " youre playing God!!!" to the now more inflammatory and attention getting argument that its ending a life" I am pro-life, yet I support stem cell medicine I have done my own reaserch on this subject instead of beleiving what a specific political party has claimed as their patform on the subject, as well as propaganda against others. From what I read of your argument why even try and save lives? It's God's will and his right to end it right? why have hosptitals and vaccines and organ donations....according to you it seems that in the end it's all just holding off the Inevitable........

I have not denounced stem cell research! Please post my quote saying I am against stem cell research. I hope your own work pays more attention to detail than your "interpretation" of my post.
LET ME RESTATE

I think getting some cells from placentas and umbilical cords is A OK. I just believe that DESTROYING an embryo to HARVEST the stem cells is analagous to murder.

In my statements concerning death, I want to over emphasize......I am not for taking life to prolong life. I believe destruction of a fertilized human egg (embryo) is taking life. Any RESEARCH done by this method, to me, is unethical and should not happen. I applaud your faith in the possible outcome from the research, and agree it holds promise. I think gathering stem cells from any other means, sans ending a life to get them, is absolutely fine.

 

[PACKY]

NO.

No as in No you would not allow the use of Embryonic stemcells to be utilized to save your child or no you would not want them to die.?

You can stall death/prolong life, but not prevent death. No you are not playing God, killing someone to get parts to prolong anothers life is playing God.
whats the difference either way you are playing god correct? ending or saving a life is a fine line if you really sit back and lok at it.



I don't see any conflict. The donor program does not end life, it takes from death.
but there are rumored cases where a person on life support who was a donor may have been removed from life support prematurely in order to harvest their organs...







I have not denounced stem cell research! Please post my quote saying I am against stem cell research. I hope your own work pays more attention to detail than your "interpretation" of my post.
LET ME RESTATE
No youre against EMBROYONIC STEM CELLS BEING UTILIZED.


In my statements concerning death, I want to over emphasize......I am not for taking life to prolong life. I believe destruction of a fertilized human egg (embryo) is taking life. Any RESEARCH done by this method, to me, is unethical and should not happen. I applaud your faith in the possible outcome from the research, and agree it holds promise. I think gathering stem cells from any other means, sans ending a life to get them, is absolutely fine.
Once again I will say that bt removing and adding a new nuclei you are not in essence killing the cell, you are reprogramming it.

Peace and blessings.

 

[Glass*Soul]

There are alternatives to the use of Embryonic Stem Cells. One is Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer in which DNA is removed from an unfertized cell and repaced by the DNA from an adult cell such as a cheek or blood cell.

Would you feel differently about therapies developed in that manner?

 

[stubeeef]

If it does not destroy a fertilized egg then I am ok with it. I would think the vast majority would be as well. I am not a scientist, don't even play one on tv, so there maybe plenty of methods that would satisfy me, it just gets down to destroying a viable fertilized egg is, to me, the wrong way to go.

I am worried about the world view of these procedures, and the comfort levels associated with it. Comfort levels with abortion ( yes different subject I know ) have progressed to partial birth abortion.

The ethics associated with these processess will differ greatly from Asia, to Europe, to America, to find common ground and to Enforce that ground will be a major challenge.

 

[PACKY]

If it does not destroy a fertilized egg then I am ok with it. I would think the vast majority would be as well. I am not a scientist, don't even play one on tv, so there maybe plenty of methods that would satisfy me, it just gets down to destroying a viable fertilized egg is, to me, the wrong way to go.

I am worried about the world view of these procedures, and the comfort levels associated with it. Comfort levels with abortion ( yes different subject I know ) have progressed to partial birth abortion.

The ethics associated with these processess will differ greatly from Asia, to Europe, to America, to find common ground and to Enforce that ground will be a major challenge.

Like I said before, to take a living cell and remove its nucleus and replace it with another does not kill the cell, ( if it was dead it would be of no use) thsi subject has been picked up by anti-abortion people. It would be like a blood transfusion, its a living thing being put inside a living thing, nothing is really being killed...this topic has proven to be a hot button by those in politics and power and as such its being manipulated not be science but by political agendas and party platforms...To anyone reading this do a honest search for yourself before listening to a politician who doesnt even write their own speach..learn and know for yourself before being guided along like a herd of sheep.....

 

[stubeeef]

Like I said before, to take a living cell and remove its nucleus and replace it with another does not kill the cell, ( if it was dead it would be of no use) thsi subject has been picked up by anti-abortion people. It would be like a blood transfusion, its a living thing being put inside a living thing, nothing is really being killed...this topic has proven to be a hot button by those in politics and power and as such its being manipulated not be science but by political agendas and party platforms...To anyone reading this do a honest search for yourself before listening to a politician who doesnt even write their own speach..learn and know for yourself before being guided along like a herd of sheep.....

Please Infallible, read and understand what I said. I never said "killed" the cell, I said DESTROY the cell. If infact there is a method that does not destroy the embryo, such that it could still be implanted and continue as a viable pregnancy, then by all means have at it.
Please read and understand what I have said, do not interpolate what I have said or mis-quote or twist what I have said.

 

[Sabazi]

You can stall death/prolong life, but not prevent death. No you are not playing God, killing someone to get parts to prolong anothers life is playing God.

In my statements concerning death, I want to over emphasize......I am not for taking life to prolong life. I believe destruction of a fertilized human egg (embryo) is taking life. Any RESEARCH done by this method, to me, is unethical and should not happen. I applaud your faith in the possible outcome from the research, and agree it holds promise. I think gathering stem cells from any other means, sans ending a life to get them, is absolutely fine.

Theoretically you can prevent death.

One way of getting stem cells is from your own body. They've used the technique to cure some conditions.

 

[PACKY]

Please Infallible, read and understand what I said. I never said "killed" the cell, I said DESTROY the cell. If infact there is a method that does not destroy the embryo, such that it could still be implanted and continue as a viable pregnancy, then by all means have at it.
Please read and understand what I have said, do not interpolate what I have said or mis-quote or twist what I have said.

You cant have it both ways, adult stem cells are not as promising as Embroyoic.
How are you destroying the cell? your simply reprogramming it to grow into something different be it a brain cell a spinal cord cell, is that not life?
I understand what you are saying but in the argument presented there is a fine line drawn between killing and destoyed. I have not mis-quoted you at all and have included your posts as a quote when I respond.
It seems to me that the ACTUAL pro-life thing to do is support the use of these embryoes at fertility that are no longer needed and deemed to be medical waste are to be destroyed, to save a persons life...life saving a life, how much more pro-life is there?

 

[stubeeef]

You cant have it both ways, adult stem cells are not as promising as Embroyoic.
How are you destroying the cell? your simply reprogramming it to grow into something different be it a brain cell a spinal cord cell, is that not life?
I understand what you are saying but in the argument presented there is a fine line drawn between killing and destoyed. I have not mis-quoted you at all and have included your posts as a quote when I respond.
It seems to me that the ACTUAL pro-life thing to do is support the use of these embryoes at fertility that are no longer needed and deemed to be medical waste are to be destroyed, to save a persons life...life saving a life, how much more pro-life is there?

I must have misunderstood the entire process, from what I understand the stem cell harvest comes about after the cell has divided into multiple cells, therefore we are not talking about "the cell". I may have further misunderstood, but I thought that the harvest also destroyed the possibility of the embryo being viable ever again.
If I understand correctly, some of the cells would live after the process (till thrown away) but most would be taken, making the embryo (a multicelled early form of human life) unviable ever again.
If I am wrong, then I am sorry, someone will need to link me to some good discussions and tutorials.
There are hundreds of thousands of living, breathing human beings that roam the earth hungry, homeless, and seemingly abandoned by society. It is a banner of same on humanity. There are probably tens of thousands of fertilized, frozen human embryos sitting in containers unconscience of their fate, another banner of same on humanity. I don't really differentate between the two. I am grown up enough to know that many or most do. That doesn't change how I feel about it though.

This has been a good discussion and I look forward to more this weekend. Good night and go to church in the morning everyone.