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Stem Cells
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Yamialpha said:
Smart-a**.
Edit: I originally typed "smart-a r s e", but it was censored. Go figure.
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Illuminatus said:Smart-a**.
Edit: I originally typed "smart-a r s e", but it was censored. Go figure.
Oh sure. That's what was edited
. Anyways, on the OP, what exactly is the question?
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I'll give my person opinion on the subject, although I will say that my knowledge on this subject is not as expansive as many others, and I don't wish to engage anyone in a big debate about it. I've always thought of life as starting at conception. I don't believe it is right to destroy a human being at that stage or any other stage (now this is just my humble opinion and again I don't want to debate about the subject). However, it also seems like to me that it is discarding human life when the embryos that are going to be discarded could be used to save another person's life. That's just my humble opinion, and I've not researched the issue or given it a lot of thought because I didn't want to have to engage in a massive debate with another person over my mere opinion.
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Sabazi said:
My answer is "What is the medicine function in a christian society?"
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Angel of God said:My answer is "What is the medicine function in a christian society?"
Do we really live in a Christian society any more? If so, how much longer will that last?
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Yamialpha said:
I don't know.
My "Christian society" is symbolic only, it's evident.
Here an example.
A woman cannot marry another woman in a church
even if it's anglican.......
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Angel of God said:I don't know.
My "Christian society" is symbolic only, it's evident.
Here an example.
A woman cannot marry another woman in a church
even if it's anglican.......
Good point. Even after so much has changed, the fingerprints of Christianity are still evident in the fabric of society. How much longer this will last is questionable.
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I believe LIFE begins at conception. If you are asking, " Is it ok to harvest stem cells from embryos?", then my answer is NO.
One argument often brought up, most of these are discarded and unwanted. Using that same logic, lets harvest the homeless and unloved. (AKA; Johnathan Swift, A Modest Proposal).
There are alot of questions surrounding stem cell research. It and cloning are procedures that will be expanded worldwide, there is the issue of regulation and enforcement. Without enforcement of regulation, we beg for another Oil-for-food scenario.
I am saddened by the harvesting of stem cells from embryos.
One argument often brought up, most of these are discarded and unwanted. Using that same logic, lets harvest the homeless and unloved. (AKA; Johnathan Swift, A Modest Proposal).
There are alot of questions surrounding stem cell research. It and cloning are procedures that will be expanded worldwide, there is the issue of regulation and enforcement. Without enforcement of regulation, we beg for another Oil-for-food scenario.
I am saddened by the harvesting of stem cells from embryos.
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PACKY
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Sabazi said:
Life is life right?
Are we not all part of gods creation?
yet we hold ourselves under the pretense that we are more valuale because we were made in Gods image...
Isnt any form of life valuable? what makes killing a chimpanzee (chimps share 99.9% of the same DNA that humans do) for sceintic study we are still killing 995 of human like genes...as well as ending life. So when islife really sacred? is it sacred only when its yours or a loved ones or should all life be equally valued, let us not forget that Mankind has yet to produce life with the aid/donation of a already living subject. We cant produce life, I cant atke carbon and water and every other material that life consists of and throw it in a test tube and pour out a baby , or even a single cell...Stem cells are not being killed they are being used to further carry on in another form of life..... IMO
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stubeeef said:
I see in your picture three beutiful children truly a gift from God,
Now what if one of those children come down with a illness that could only be treated by the use of embreyonic stem cells...Would you let them die and call it gods will? or would you want them to get treated for their illness and live on to be productive healthy people?
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I, like the gentleman with W in a wheelchair, would no more harvest from an embryo to do "research" that may or may not provide a cure, than I would take organs from the homeless or unloved. I do feel that strong about it.
The secret is out, we are all going to die, don't know when don't know where, but I am certain of it. Taking life (I believe it is taking life, some don't) to prolong another is not the answer.
I know you are not making this drastic a point but I want to put it out there. The Nazi's studied humans, twins, and children. They would often kill them in their study, they rationalized the events because it would help others in the future. Some, maybe even most, don't believe these fertilized eggs (embryos) constitute life, but I do, and that is where I draw the line. I am not opposed to research, just the how and why. I immunized my kids, I take them to the Dr, and believe in good balanced health care. I think getting some cells from placentas and umbilical cords is A OK. I just believe that destroying an embryo to harvest the stem cells is analagous to murder.
Does that make my postition clearer?
What is your position?
Does the ends justify the means?
What if your children or parents could be saved by taking a liver from a healthy homeless person, would you allow it? They were an unproductive, drain on society, you can turn a negative to positive!
The secret is out, we are all going to die, don't know when don't know where, but I am certain of it. Taking life (I believe it is taking life, some don't) to prolong another is not the answer.
I know you are not making this drastic a point but I want to put it out there. The Nazi's studied humans, twins, and children. They would often kill them in their study, they rationalized the events because it would help others in the future. Some, maybe even most, don't believe these fertilized eggs (embryos) constitute life, but I do, and that is where I draw the line. I am not opposed to research, just the how and why. I immunized my kids, I take them to the Dr, and believe in good balanced health care. I think getting some cells from placentas and umbilical cords is A OK. I just believe that destroying an embryo to harvest the stem cells is analagous to murder.
Does that make my postition clearer?
What is your position?
INFALLIBLE said:
Does the ends justify the means?
What if your children or parents could be saved by taking a liver from a healthy homeless person, would you allow it? They were an unproductive, drain on society, you can turn a negative to positive!
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stubeeef said:
If that is your argument then why have the organ donor program at all?
If it is Gods will and that by far is no secret that we are going to die,are we not also playing god by preventing a death as God intented by harvesting a organ from another person even if they are dead?
Once again, you dont answer the question..Would you want one of your children to receive treatment for a fatal illness if stem cells ( embryonic) were the only option or would you be willing to allow them to die knowing it is gods will. your comparison of stem cell reaserch and medicine to the victims if Nazi SS Dr. Mengela is disturbing and is a moot point as well as a slap in the face to his victims.
If you are simply removing the nucleus of a cell and replaicng it with another the cell still lives does it not? you are simply changing the DNA makeup of that cell, The argument against stem cell reaserch has shifted from the original " youre playing God!!!" to the now more inflammatory and attention getting argument that its ending a life" I am pro-life, yet I support stem cell medicine I have done my own reaserch on this subject instead of beleiving what a specific political party has claimed as their patform on the subject, as well as propaganda against others. From what I read of your argument why even try and save lives? It's God's will and his right to end it right? why have hosptitals and vaccines and organ donations....according to you it seems that in the end it's all just holding off the Inevitable........
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