Stem Cell Research

[Seaside Mists]

The Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Mary, not Jesus. Mary was conceived in the normal way.

What are you talking about?

The Immaculate Conception talks about the conception of Jesus in Mary, not the conception of Mary. Like you said, Mary was concieved in the normal way. Jesus, however, was not.

He was not the direct result of a sexual encounter between a man and wife, so by the Church's own decree, his conception was a sin.

 

[butterfoot]

What are you talking about?

The Immaculate Conception talks about the conception of Jesus in Mary, not the conception of Mary. Like you said, Mary was concieved in the normal way. Jesus, however, was not.

He was not the direct result of a sexual encounter between a man and wife, so by the Church's own decree, his conception was a sin.

Considering that you are catholic thats taking the interpretation a little far isn't it?


-cw

 

[Monica02]

What are you talking about?

The Immaculate Conception talks about the conception of Jesus in Mary, not the conception of Mary. Like you said, Mary was concieved in the normal way. Jesus, however, was not.

He was not the direct result of a sexual encounter between a man and wife, so by the Church's own decree, his conception was a sin.

Learn your faith - if you indeed are Catholic.

The Dogma of the Immaculate COnception refers to the conception of Mary without the stain of original sin. Mary was conceived by a sexual encounter between her mom and dad (know their names by chance?), with God preserving her from the stain of original sin at the very moment of her conception.

 

[Seaside Mists]

Considering that you are catholic thats taking the interpretation a little far isn't it?

I'm only pointing out the danger of following the teachings of man and the decrees of man as opposed to the teachings and decrees of God.

 

[Seaside Mists]

Learn your faith - if you indeed are Catholic.

I know my faith, thanks. If only you spent as much time questioning your beliefs as you do mine.

The Dogma of the Immaculate COnception refers to the conception of Mary without the stain of original sin. Mary was conceived by a sexual encounter between her mom and dad (know their names by chance?), with God preserving her from the stain of original sin at the very moment of her conception.

How wonderful. Of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about or the point I was making. Secondly, if you knew about Catholic teachings, you'd know that a large number of us believe that the Immaculate Conception is the act where God preserved the stain of original sin at the time of Jesus's conception in Mary, just as he did with Mary. She, and in turn Jesus, were filled with the grace of God and given the means to lead a sinless life, making the conception of Jesus immaculate as well. If Jesus did not have Immaculate Conception, he wouldn't have been Jesus... Quite obviously. Which is why many of us believe that Immaculate Conception is the point which describes the conception of both Mary and Jesus. This used to be a traditional belief, which is obvious since the Virgin Birth refers to the birth of Jesus.

However, you do not strike me as the type of person who would make an attempt to familiarize yourself with the beliefs of sects of Catholic beliefs different from your own.

And the names of Mary's parents is a trick question, since no record of Mary's birth is recorded in scripture. However, Byzantine Christians (who were among the first to honor her birth by the Feast of the Birth of the Virgin Mary on September 8th) traditionally named them Ann and Joachim. In fact, Mary's history is so ambiguous, it wasn't until the seventh century, when the Roman Catholic Church adopted the feast day, or the custom of honoring the Holy Virgin, or honoring the date of the Immaculate Conception, which is December 8th. The reason it took so long was because there was no scripture to support either of these dates, and the Church didn't want to commit heresy by honoring against God.

 

[Farouche Exegete]

What are you talking about?

The Immaculate Conception talks about the conception of Jesus in Mary, not the conception of Mary. Like you said, Mary was concieved in the normal way. Jesus, however, was not.

He was not the direct result of a sexual encounter between a man and wife, so by the Church's own decree, his conception was a sin.

No, this is incorrect. Immaculate Conception is "the doctrine that God preserved the Virgin Mary from the taint of original sin from the moment she was conceived; it was defined as a dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1854."

 

[Archivist]

Lets abandon Bush for the moment. He is a politition and therefore does what he does for personal gain. The point I'm going to attempt to make is that stem cell research, comes from our desire to circumvent judgement, by living forever, pain and trouble free. This is the promise of heaven. But we want it here and now. I believe that as Christians we should avoid anything that sacrifices life for pleasure. My concern is that aborted fetuses could become a commodity of great value...

I don't know of anyone in the mainstream who is arguing in favor of stem cell resaerch because he or she wants to live forever. I do know of individuals with MS who would like to be able to walk and not spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair. I do know of diabetics who would like to stop their daily injections. This is hardly avoiding sacrificing "life for pleasure."

 

[Seaside Mists]

I don't know of anyone in the mainstream who is arguing in favor of stem cell resaerch because he or she wants to live forever. I do know of individuals with MS who would like to be able to walk and not spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair. I do know of diabetics who would like to stop their daily injections. This is hardly avoiding sacrificing "life for pleasure."

Not to mention that organ donation has been around for quite some time, but it hasn't made dead or dying bodies a "commodity of great value".

I'd imagine that donations to stem cell research would be a lot the same that organ donation or body donation to science would be... That thereisn't enough to donate, at least, not enough to keep up with the demands of research or, praise God, the demands to a discovery of a cure, when it happens.