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Here's an interesting post from another SDA forum:
I grew up an SDA and so did my husband. When were young we scraped the table clean of our parents beliefs and one by one we placed the doctrines back on--only after we had studied each one and understood it for ourselves. The result was that we put everything back on within a few weeks except for EGW. We had heard she said this and that all of our lives. We were not convinced she was a prophet so we didn't put her back on the table for five years. I would say people mis-using her words to scare us or judge us when we were young, was blocking us from having an open mind to explore her writings. Then one day, we were traveling near Elmshaven so we stopped because my grandmother who loved EGW's writings, would be devasted if I didn't stop and tour the house. I did it for Grandma. There I met EGW's great granddaughter, who gave me a book called Stories of My Grandmother and reading that book showed us that she was a real person who laughed and made mistakes and loved kids. That book finally convinced us that she was prophet. During the five years that we didn't believe in her, our pastors were awesome! They told us we didn't have to believe in her to be an Adventist and so we stayed.
http://www.heavenlysanctuary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=47203
Interesting. It seems the actual situation being played out in the local church setting is quite a bit different from the 'eat it all or leave it all/love it or lump it' propaganda the Trads here try and force down our throats.
Red, some of your OWN CLERY are saying this to thier membership.My OWN PASTOR made the same statement to me before my baptism. He told me that EGW was NOT a test of membership and she was NOT supposed to be made one. He said all that was required was that I acknowledge the SDA church believes in the spiritual gifts, prophecy included. I did NOT have to profess allegiance to belief in her prophetic status either before or during the ceremony. Perhaps he left that part out of the vows deliberately, but I never heard it. His position was to just let me search out the issue for myself and come to my own conclusions, just like the woman in the above quote.
As for Night's posting style, no he doesn't have to be as prickly and in your face as he is, but that doesn't remove the merit from his comments.
this is just sad
not only do you not know how to solve the problem you are actually making it worse. you conceed victory and you conceed ground when you have them on the ropes. you argure and fight and are indecicive. just sad
this is just sad
not only do you not know how to solve the problem you are actually making it worse. you conceed victory and you conceed ground when you have them on the ropes. you argure and fight and are indecicive. just sad
Very good points Tall and Night. I didn't see any love or concern for souls in Red's or Doc's posts above. It is obvious that there is some talk coming out of both sides of someone's mouth.And the natives seemed so friendly in the beginning.
The suggestion in #11 sounds good to me. Night may be in danger of being rolled out of this forum, but I doubt he's in danger of being kicked out of his church.
As for Night's posting style, no he doesn't have to be as prickly and in your face as he is, but that doesn't remove the merit from his comments.
I hate to say it but it may be time for some folks to shake the dust off their feet and move on. If anyone wants to e-mail me I have an idea for a destination. (And it is not CARM).
I guess she decided to report me. As I just got the message. I am accused of "This is the reason that the user gave:
flaming staff"
What could the flame possibly be?
(FSGs) Seventh-Day Adventists (please review and comment)
The admins have been tasked with reviewing all the FSGs on the site to make sure they are consistent, clear, and concise.
We're starting with the Congregational area FSGs, because that area has the greatest number, and because most of them say similar things.
We've looked at every Congregational FSG, and noted that most of them had pretty much similar outlines:
* Introduction/History
* Statement of Faith/Definition of Member
* Definition of Fellowship/Limitation on Debate
* Special Issues
* Interpretations of Site-wide rules (what does "flaming" mean here?, etc)
We propose that we have one Congregation-Wide FSG that will address Definition of a Member, and Definition of Debate. This is step one, and the draft is currently being reviewed by staff. This Congregation-wide FSG would apply to all Congregational forums, and would be linked from each of the specific FSGs.
Here, in step 2, we hope to revise each of the congregation-specific FSGs to capture a shorter, more concise Statement of Faith and any Special Issues they have. This would separate the general issues (memberships and debate) from the things specific to each forum.
Also removed from the specific FSGs are most of the historical information (which can be found elsewhere) and any specific interpretations of rules (which is laid out in the site-wide rules).
So here are the draft FSGs for your forum. Things that have been removed:
General Definition of Fellowship/Debate
General history/background of the denomination
Interpretations of rules
This thread will be open for a few days for you to discuss any changes you need to these FSGs. Then the admins will compile a final that takes your comments into consideration.
http://christianforums.com/t6864947
Yes I read you stuff night. You will likely be ok, but since saying you are flamed is all you need to report something you could say it is a nice day and someone can say he flamed me because who knows maybe they had not posted anything that day and they feel they were insulted.
Tishr1 is upset because she inserted a rule and someone finnaly took a exception to her insertion. Hurt her feeling apparently and thus it is flaming staff.
The thread was started to make the FSG align with other forums. But the Trad moderators would not let that be the case and so they started to rewrite the rules. Not just to make them uniform in arrangement but to restrict our sub-forum.
It began:
RC,
I did the main rewrite and made it as clean as I could while staying true to the intent of the original, Tishr1 inserted the only part which you have disagreed to, and she was just trying to address the constant 'Trad' / 'Prog' fighting and nasty attacks. She was a mod in this forum and knows it very well, and is just doing what she can to help......so dont twist it RC, they are solid and fair FSG's for everyone as attested that very little was found that anyone disagreed to....just the added bit from Tishr1...
Red
Yes, Red, you and Night have that in common. Nothing wrong with saying things straight up. But there are times in this forum I get the feeling that it is more important to be an Adventist than it is to be a Christian.
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