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Let us find probability of Omniscient being, called “God”. God must know own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of God's existence. Thus, the God exists with exact 100% probability.

This very good correlates with YEC calculation of the probability of Divine Creator:
much more than 100-(10^(-19)*100)=99,99999999999999999 %.
Source: Self-replicating enzymes? - creation.com

What can help you to repent? Follow my advise: DO NOT MODIFY THE PROOF, for satanic aim to make it sound ridiculous. It is the straw-man fallacy! If is written: “God must know own existence” then agree with that. Do not add the “IF God exists, then God must know own existence.” The latter is part of different proof (proof of contradiction, Wikipedia 2017), not mine statistical proof.

Analogously, the YEC has calculated the minimum probability of Divine Wonder of Life 99,99999999999999999 %, but not the ridiculous conditional probability: “the Creator exists with exact 100%, if the Creator exists.” Similar is the following madness: “What is probability of Life in Universe? It is 100%, because we are here.” Asked is not the conditional probability (condition - “we are here”). Latter is the Texas sharp shooter fallacy, do not fall into that madness while trying to “scientifically” kill Holy God in your soul: do not modify any of the proofs!

The papers in scientific sources dealing with fine-tuning of Universe, tell us, that there is extremely low probability (much less than that YEC for Earth: 100-99,99999999999999999=0.0000...), what our fundamental physical constants would produce any complex life inside our Universe. It is the “fine tuning” of the fundamental constants. So, the God-killers came up with infinite number of parallel universes – Multiverse. But in the string theory this Multiverse is in fact one gigantic Universe, which, thus, needs more fine fine-tuning. But suppose, that string theory is not correct, and there are infinite number of non-connected, independent Universes. How can we say, that they exists, if they are non-connected and totally isolated: the science in our Universe will never detect another universe? They exist only if there is True God -Holy Spirit-, who exists also outside space and time between them, thus, He can detect them both. Moreover, a place with different constants will change the Metrology Instruments (thermometer, meter, voltmeter, etc.), thus, they will become ruined. But the Nature is what the Instruments are measuring, and Instruments is what measures the Nature. Therefore, there are no parallel universes, which would have provided (for the True God) the infinite casual choice of the fundamental constants.

These considerations are fully scientific. But they contradict the “scientific” method called “methodological atheism”. According to it any proofs of divine inside the top Scientific Journals are forbidden. Any discussions of divine are forbidden. Any reasoning using Church matters in CNN NEWS is strongly forbidden. Even Donald Trump shames to talk quoting Holy Commandments in his tweets. State and Church separation (in England it is non-official separation, because they have killed own God blessed King) is in fact the atheism: “God exists only in Holy Church buildings.”
Atheism is total solipsism, because reality (and Existence) is defined as “all, that comes from Holy God.” Reality can not be defined by “all, that all see all times”, because of persistent mass-hallucinations. The German Nation has hallucinated (about 7 years?) of a criminal manipulator Adolf Hitler as their “Führer”. Therefore, the emptiness of solipsism fills in the Scientific community and the Social community: empty envy, empty wars, empty terror, empty trolling, empty unproven criticism, empty antipathy, empty ignorance, empty obscurantism, empty scientism, empty egoism, empty blaspheme, empty respect-less, empty authority-less, empty love-less, empty Verity-less, empty lies and info-wars, empty lie of Darwinism-Evolutionism, etc.

The cat is looking through the glass,
The emptiness approaches us,
It quiets any sound of pain,
The roof is hit by acid rain.
But don't you worry,
Dear mom,
I am your cat till Trumpet sound.

(the cat and window are in my profile photo)
 
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What can help you to repent? Follow my advise: DO NOT MODIFY THE PROOF, for satanic aim to make it sound ridiculous. It is the straw-man fallacy! If is written: “God must know own existence” then agree with that. Do not add the “IF God exists, then God must know own existence.” The latter is part of different proof (proof of contradiction, Wikipedia 2017), not mine statistical proof.
 
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Let us find probability of Omniscient being, called “God”. God must know own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of God's existence. Thus, the God exists with exact 100% probability.

This argument assumes its premise. Therefore it is circular. Therefore, logically invalid.
You can't just start by asserting the existence of the thing you are trying to prove exists.
Your "proof" breaks down within the first 10 words - you cannot simply assume the existence of the thing you're trying to prove in the first premise.

The initial premise (P1: God must know own existence) is also non-demonstrative. Therefore you cant determine whether it is a logically valid premise or not. If you want to conduct a logical syllogism, you'll need two demonstrably valid premises and a logically valid conclusion.

What can help you to repent? Follow my advise: DO NOT MODIFY THE PROOF, for satanic aim to make it sound ridiculous. It is the straw-man fallacy! If is written: “God must know own existence” then agree with that. Do not add the “IF God exists, then God must know own existence.” The latter is part of different proof (proof of contradiction, Wikipedia 2017), not mine statistical proof.

I'll challenge the validity of any statement I feel is unsupported by evidence.

These considerations are fully scientific.

Logic is not a branch of the sciences, although the sciences employ logic.

But they contradict the “scientific” method called “methodological atheism”. According to it any proofs of divine inside the top Scientific Journals are forbidden. Any discussions of divine are forbidden. Any reasoning using Church matters in CNN NEWS is strongly forbidden. Even Donald Trump shames to talk quoting Holy Commandments in his tweets. State and Church separation (in England it is non-official separation, because they have killed own God blessed King) is in fact the atheism: “God exists only in Holy Church buildings.”

That's not what methodological atheism is. MA is an approach taken in the study of the sociology and anthropology of religion, which considers all supernatural claims and/or truth statements as void (that is, they are all equally unlikely).

Generally speaking, it's an empirical research tool that is used in attempt to separate the claims of what happened in religious texts, from what actually happened. Its been around, and used widely, for about 50 years.

Some scholars of religion, particularly some American Christian scholars, have recently expressed some dissatisfaction with methodological atheism, along with its close cousin, methodological agnosticism. Michael A Cantrell, MT Lee, Amos Young and Alvin Plantinga have been among the strongest critics of these approaches - and three of these four are also engaged in active Christian apologetics.

Essentially, their argument is that these approaches don't allow them to treat their personal religious experiences and the religious experiences recounted in their holy book/oral tradition/other stories as valid, while also not permitting them to rubbishing the religious experiences, and holy writing of other religions as "delusional".

Classic special pleading.

Atheism is total solipsism, because reality (and Existence) is defined as “all, that comes from Holy God.”

Atheism is atheism and solipsism is solipsism. Neither is each other. Similarly, I'm not going to accept a definition of reality as that which comes from God, until plausible evidence for a God is produced.
 
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Bad arguments for God's existence do nothing but disservice to the position that God exists...

I can show you some actual good arguments for the existence of God if you want.
I disagree. Look: The YEC has calculated the minimum probability of Divine Wonder of Life 99,99999999999999999 %, but not the ridiculous conditional probability: “the Creator exists with exact 100%, if the Creator exists.” Similar is the following madness: “What is probability of Life in Universe? It is 100%, because we are here.” Asked is not the conditional probability (condition - “we are here”). Latter is the Texas sharp shooter fallacy, do not fall into that madness while trying to “scientifically” kill Holy God in your soul: do not modify any of the proofs!
 
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The papers in scientific sources dealing with fine-tuning of Universe, tell us, that there is extremely low probability (much less than that YEC for Earth: 100-99,99999999999999999=0.0000...), what our fundamental physical constants would produce any complex life inside our Universe. It is the “fine tuning” of the fundamental constants. So, the God-killers came up with infinite number of parallel universes – Multiverse. But in the string theory this Multiverse is in fact one gigantic Universe, which, thus, needs more fine fine-tuning. But suppose, that string theory is not correct, and there are infinite number of non-connected, independent Universes. How can we say, that they exists, if they are non-connected and totally isolated: the science in our Universe will never detect another universe? They exist only if there is True God -Holy Spirit-, who exists also outside space and time between them, thus, He can detect them both. Moreover, a place with different constants will change the Metrology Instruments (thermometer, meter, voltmeter, etc.), thus, they will become ruined. But the Nature is what the Instruments are measuring, and Instruments is what measures the Nature. Therefore, there are no parallel universes, which would have provided (for the True God) the infinite casual choice of the fundamental constants.
 
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I disagree. Look: The YEC has calculated the minimum probability of Divine Wonder of Life 99,99999999999999999 %, but not the ridiculous conditional probability: “the Creator exists with exact 100%, if the Creator exists.” Similar is the following madness: “What is probability of Life in Universe? It is 100%, because we are here.” Asked is not the conditional probability (condition - “we are here”). Latter is the Texas sharp shooter fallacy, do not fall into that madness while trying to “scientifically” kill Holy God in your soul: do not modify any of the proofs!

That kind of probability analysis is based on flawed assumptions (that a fully formed cell can arise from random chemicals instead of evolving from a much simpler self-replicating molecule)

Why not try using the fact that many completely different natural phenomena all display similar mathematical properties? That's a much better argument for God.
 
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joinfree said:
If is written: “God must know own existence” then agree with that. Do not add the “IF God exists, then God must know own existence.”


Rarely have I seen such a shameless appeal to beg the question.

I guess I got under his or her skin.

Omniscient God Math-proof
 
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Let us find probability of Omniscient being, called “God”. God must know own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of God's existence. Thus, the God exists with exact 100% probability.

LOL!!

Replace "god" with anything your imagination can produce, and the above has the exact same merrit.
 
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I disagree. Look: The YEC has calculated the minimum probability of Divine Wonder of Life 99,99999999999999999 %, but not the ridiculous conditional probability: “the Creator exists with exact 100%, if the Creator exists.” Similar is the following madness: “What is probability of Life in Universe? It is 100%, because we are here.” Asked is not the conditional probability (condition - “we are here”). Latter is the Texas sharp shooter fallacy, do not fall into that madness while trying to “scientifically” kill Holy God in your soul: do not modify any of the proofs!

I calculated the probability of the non-existance of god as 1 in 1.

Now what?
 
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from a chance perspective the chance to evolve a self replicating robot with dna (penguin for instance) is actually zero. so we can be sure that god exist.

So it's a good thing then, that evolution isn't a "random chance" process.
 
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Let us find probability of Omniscient being, called “God”. God must know own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of God's existence. Thus, the God exists with exact 100% probability.

This very good correlates with YEC calculation of the probability of Divine Creator:
much more than 100-(10^(-19)*100)=99,99999999999999999 %.
Source: Self-replicating enzymes? - creation.com

What can help you to repent? Follow my advise: DO NOT MODIFY THE PROOF, for satanic aim to make it sound ridiculous. It is the straw-man fallacy! If is written: “God must know own existence” then agree with that. Do not add the “IF God exists, then God must know own existence.” The latter is part of different proof (proof of contradiction, Wikipedia 2017), not mine statistical proof.

Analogously, the YEC has calculated the minimum probability of Divine Wonder of Life 99,99999999999999999 %, but not the ridiculous conditional probability: “the Creator exists with exact 100%, if the Creator exists.” Similar is the following madness: “What is probability of Life in Universe? It is 100%, because we are here.” Asked is not the conditional probability (condition - “we are here”). Latter is the Texas sharp shooter fallacy, do not fall into that madness while trying to “scientifically” kill Holy God in your soul: do not modify any of the proofs!

The papers in scientific sources dealing with fine-tuning of Universe, tell us, that there is extremely low probability (much less than that YEC for Earth: 100-99,99999999999999999=0.0000...), what our fundamental physical constants would produce any complex life inside our Universe. It is the “fine tuning” of the fundamental constants. So, the God-killers came up with infinite number of parallel universes – Multiverse. But in the string theory this Multiverse is in fact one gigantic Universe, which, thus, needs more fine fine-tuning. But suppose, that string theory is not correct, and there are infinite number of non-connected, independent Universes. How can we say, that they exists, if they are non-connected and totally isolated: the science in our Universe will never detect another universe? They exist only if there is True God -Holy Spirit-, who exists also outside space and time between them, thus, He can detect them both. Moreover, a place with different constants will change the Metrology Instruments (thermometer, meter, voltmeter, etc.), thus, they will become ruined. But the Nature is what the Instruments are measuring, and Instruments is what measures the Nature. Therefore, there are no parallel universes, which would have provided (for the True God) the infinite casual choice of the fundamental constants.

These considerations are fully scientific. But they contradict the “scientific” method called “methodological atheism”. According to it any proofs of divine inside the top Scientific Journals are forbidden. Any discussions of divine are forbidden. Any reasoning using Church matters in CNN NEWS is strongly forbidden. Even Donald Trump shames to talk quoting Holy Commandments in his tweets. State and Church separation (in England it is non-official separation, because they have killed own God blessed King) is in fact the atheism: “God exists only in Holy Church buildings.”
Atheism is total solipsism, because reality (and Existence) is defined as “all, that comes from Holy God.” Reality can not be defined by “all, that all see all times”, because of persistent mass-hallucinations. The German Nation has hallucinated (about 7 years?) of a criminal manipulator Adolf Hitler as their “Führer”. Therefore, the emptiness of solipsism fills in the Scientific community and the Social community: empty envy, empty wars, empty terror, empty trolling, empty unproven criticism, empty antipathy, empty ignorance, empty obscurantism, empty scientism, empty egoism, empty blaspheme, empty respect-less, empty authority-less, empty love-less, empty Verity-less, empty lies and info-wars, empty lie of Darwinism-Evolutionism, etc.

The cat is looking through the glass,
The emptiness approaches us,
It quiets any sound of pain,
The roof is hit by acid rain.
But don't you worry,
Dear mom,
I am your cat till Trumpet sound.

(the cat and window are in my profile photo)
Oh dear; I can't help but feel how embarrassing this post must be to other Christians on the forum.

So, let us find the probability of a self-aware dragon in my garage. By definition, being self-aware, it must know its own existence; thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of my garage dragon's existence. therefore a self-aware dragon exists in my garage with 'exact 100% probability' :doh:

Was this an over-elaborate POE, or is joinfree in need of cognitive assistance?
 
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Oh dear; I can't help but feel how embarrassing this post must be to other Christians on the forum.

What's more embarrassing is that many other Christians don't even try to challenge these arguments. So many people (Christian and otherwise) have the attitude that if they agree with the conclusion of an argument, then the argument is good by default. If someone said that '2 + 2 = 4 because 7/9 = 1,000,000', that's still wrong, even though the conclusion is right. And it just makes people skeptical of even proper arguments with the same conclusion.
 
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God must know own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of God's existence. Thus, the God exists with exact 100% probability.

Skeletor must know his own existence. Thus, among the available knowledge exists the knowledge of Skeletor's existence. Thus, Skeletor exists with exact 100% probability.

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