State Health Service versus Private Health Service

[Maxwell511]

hmmm Consitutional spending on defence compared to un-COnsitutioinal spending in industry? nice

Not American, however in your constitution (article 1 section 8, the same section that makes spending on defense constitutional) the government has the power to lay taxes for the general welfare of the US. Do you consider the health of its citizens to be part of the general welfare of the US?

If not health, then what do you think general welfare is? Noting that in your constitution's wording "general welfare" is as important as "defense".

 

[Baggins]

hmmm Consitutional spending on defence compared to un-COnsitutioinal spending in industry? nice

So defence isn't an industry in the US? Is it a "not for profit" organisation?

If so I am proud of those US defence contractors.

Your arguments, which I'd never really paid much attention to today, are shockingly low on logic and evidence.

You still haven't made a case for why government spending on its citizens health would be unconstitutional as far as I can see.

Could you spell it outr for me chapter and verse, I am a foreigner. Ta

 

[Baggins]

More people die each year in the US of cancer than died in the Twin Towers.

After 911 there was a government funded War on Terror. Why isn't there after so many preventable deaths a War on Cancer?

There is, it was declared in 1971 by Richard Nixon:

http://training.seer.cancer.gov/module_cancer_disease/unit5_war_on_cancer.html

After more than three decades, the "War on Cancer," declared by President Nixon in 1971 with the enactment of the National Cancer Act, is still going on in this country. The Question is: "Are we winning the war?"

 

[Maxwell511]

There is, it was declared in 1971 by Richard Nixon:

http://training.seer.cancer.gov/module_cancer_disease/unit5_war_on_cancer.html

I'm not sure whether to be glad or disappointed for the lack of progress.

But I learned something new, so that counts as something. Right?

 

[David Brider]

hmmm Consitutional spending on defence compared to un-COnsitutioinal spending in industry? nice

Are you saying that healthcare is an industry? Interesting outlook...

And btw, if spending taxes on healthcare is, as you suggest, unconstitutional, then maybe the constitution needs changing?

David.

 

[David Brider]

That bothers me as well. Perhaps there's a middle ground whereby such individuals could receive help without having to socialize the entire system. I'm not convinced we need to take an all or none approach in order to make some headway.

It's worth bearing in mind that it doesn't have to be an "all or none" approach. Universal healthcare can operate alongside private healthcare schemes - they do in the UK, at least.

David.

 

[Baggins]

It's worth bearing in mind that it doesn't have to be an "all or none" approach. Universal healthcare can operate alongside private healthcare schemes - they do in the UK, at least.

David.

I checked up on the internet and Germany has universal health care that is, in the main, run by the private health insurance business.

Perhaps that is the path for the US to follow, I'm sure that someone has looked at it over the years, but as long as some of the neanderthal opinions we have seen on here about not paying for other peoples health care are common I doubt much will change

 

[sidhe]

I checked up on the internet and Germany has universal health care that is, in the main, run by the private health insurance business.

Perhaps that is the path for the US to follow, I'm sure that someone has looked at it over the years, but as long as some of the neanderthal opinions we have seen on here about not paying for other peoples health care are common I doubt much will change

My state-sponsored U.S. health insurance is run by a private firm. It actually works pretty well. I've got a low deductible, low copay, and lower-than-normal premiums (less than 14% of my total monthly income. It would be less if I made more money, percentagewise. It's around 1.5% of the total monthly income of the big boss man of the local system). And it's not even federally run, but run by a totally inept state government.

Similarly, my state retirement plan - were I to stay in this job until I retired - would be paying me 80% of my salary at retirement, plus my insurance costs, in return for 2% of each paycheck until that time. That works for me.