Start an Argument with Ana!

Ken-1122 · Apr 29, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
"I can understand doing horrible things to people you do not like, but why to people that you actually like?"

Oh...desire. Without getting too specific, I'd say that I simply liked what I was doing to them more than I liked them.

"Suppose you loved the person, but did not like them? "

I can't really imagine this scenario...and I apologize if it sounds like I'm ducking the question...but I can't imagine loving someone (loving as in the love I have for my wife) and not liking them. I just can't work that situation out in my mind. I can certainly like someone and not love them...but I cannot feel the love I have for my wife for someone and not like them. Any questions where you want me to assume this situation I'm going to be unable to answer.

"Would your marriage exist if you didn't like her?"

Again, I think you're trying to draw a distinction I can't seem to make. I wouldn't have married my wife if I didn't love her, and since I love her I like her...so, in a way, no? I think an important distinction would be that I cannot leave my wife (as in divorce or abandon her) because of the love I have for her...but there are many people I've known and liked that I've cut out of my life entirely for various reasons.

If you can't imagine a scenario of loving someone you do not like, can you at least imagine such a scenario about someone else? I really was not directing the question at you, I was referring to dysfunctional relationships where 2 people love each other but do not like each other. I am sure this can't be applied to you, but I am sure you realize there are some people whom this does apply to.
For these type of relationships, would you agree to like each other is better than to love each other assuming they can't have both?

Kenm

dms1972 · Apr 30, 2015

Originally Posted by dms1972

Is this the five minute argument or the full 30 minutes?

Your choice sir! The choice, my boy, has always been yours...

the 5 minute argument please.

ananda · Apr 30, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
Start an argument with me!!! Take your position and I'll gladly tell you why you're wrong and I'm right! It doesn't matter what position...I'll tell you why it's foolish and you shouldn't believe in it.

OK, my argument is that Ana the Ist is right.

Ana the Ist · Apr 30, 2015

ananda said:
OK, my argument is that Ana the Ist is right.

Wrong! Ana joins the long line of witches born lefty...not righty! Long live the southpaws!

Ana the Ist · Apr 30, 2015

Ken-1122 said:
If you can't imagine a scenario of loving someone you do not like, can you at least imagine such a scenario about someone else? I really was not directing the question at you, I was referring to dysfunctional relationships where 2 people love each other but do not like each other. I am sure this can't be applied to you, but I am sure you realize there are some people whom this does apply to.
For these type of relationships, would you agree to like each other is better than to love each other assuming they can't have both?

Kenm

Can I imagine it? Sure, I wouldn't believe it... but I can imagine it. I only have my personal experience regarding what love is, so if someone were to say they love someone but don't really like them...I'm inclined to think that whatever they call love and I call love aren't the same thing.

Ana the Ist · Apr 30, 2015

jacknife said:
Skyward sword was an awful Zelda game plagued by horrible graphics, mechanics that just made the game tedious. Breakable weapons (A BAT BROKE MY STEEL SHIELD ITS A BAT!) a annoying robot that's also a ghost that gives you statistics you dont care about. A end boss you dont feel threatened by and lackluster dungeons.

Skyward Sword had an overall critic's score of over 9.5 and a user's score around 8 on metacritic...which means your opinion is in the minority. Here's something to consider, if a bat destroying your metal shield is the most unrealistic thing in a fantasy game where a little elven guy has to rescue a princess with the worst security team in history (after the secret service of course) then your complaints are pretty minor.

TillICollapse · Apr 30, 2015

Ken-1122 · May 5, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
Can I imagine it? Sure, I wouldn't believe it... but I can imagine it. I only have my personal experience regarding what love is, so if someone were to say they love someone but don't really like them...

You aren't going to get someone to admit they love their spouse but not like them; they will say they love their spouse but you will be able to tell from their actions they don't like each other.

Ana the Ist said:
I'm inclined to think that whatever they call love and I call love aren't the same thing.

Would you agree love is an emotional attachment/bond?

Ken

Songsmith · May 5, 2015

The Star Wars Holiday Special was, at best, not very good.

I think I've won. Yep. Winner here. I'd like to thank Mark Hammil and Chewie's son and his stupid circus thing. Oh and Bea Arthur.

Ana the Ist · May 6, 2015

lesliedellow said:
I say Pythagoras's Theorem is true.

Now prove me wrong.

I'm sorry, it's kind of implied in the OP that I'll argue against positions that are arguable. Mathematical proofs aren't going to qualify.

Ana the Ist · May 6, 2015

Ken-1122 said:
You aren't going to get someone to admit they love their spouse but not like them; they will say they love their spouse but you will be able to tell from their actions they don't like each other.

Would you agree love is an emotional attachment/bond?

Ken

"...they will say they love their spouse but you will be able to tell from their actions they don't like each other."

How would you know.the difference between this and a situation where they like each other, and say they love each other, but you can tell from their actions that they don't love each other.

I'd say that love is an emotion. I think when you call it a "bond" it becomes misleading.

HexidecimalInput · May 6, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
Tired of the same old threads rehashing the same old tired cliches? Do you feel pretty sure of yourself and what you believe? Well, sir/madam, I've got a proposition for you!

Start an argument with me!!! Take your position and I'll gladly tell you why you're wrong and I'm right! It doesn't matter what position...I'll tell you why it's foolish and you shouldn't believe in it.

My position is ... Ana is right. Argue against that, chica.

Ana the Ist · May 6, 2015

HexidecimalInput said:
My position is ... Ana is right. Argue against that, chica.

Already did... I think it's on page 2. I'm also a guy, so at the very least you got that wrong.

HexidecimalInput · May 6, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
Already did... I think it's on page 2. I'm also a guy, so at the very least you got that wrong.

lol

jacknife · May 6, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
Skyward Sword had an overall critic's score of over 9.5 and a user's score around 8 on metacritic...which means your opinion is in the minority. Here's something to consider, if a bat destroying your metal shield is the most unrealistic thing in a fantasy game where a little elven guy has to rescue a princess with the worst security team in history (after the secret service of course) then your complaints are pretty minor.

I noticed you didnt mention that breakable weapons/items is bad in any game it adds constant micromanagement. and since when have game critics ever told you the truth? Also you dont play as an elf your a Hylian It's said there ears are so big as to better hear the gods (This was brought up in ocarina of time a game you should have memorized) And you dont even have to rescue the princess from anyone she literally kidnaps herself! I'm serious she freezes herself in this dumb golden thing. I would like to point out metacritcs gave final fantasy 8 a great review too and that game required you to spend hours letting enemy's hit you to gain magic. poorly written characters who despite their setting act like 5 year olds. And the characters master plan was to let the space time continuum be destroyed and guess what? THEY DID. anyone who gave that story a thumbs up clearly deserves no credit in their opinions. Don't worry I have more complainants about the game play mechanics and how the story line in Skyward sword goes I will make a post after this to touch on that subject give it to you in chunks.

jacknife · May 6, 2015

So lets talk about free explore it's always been a part of the Zelda experience, But skyward sword said no to that1 the hub world is this sky island full of tiny islands that have almost always nothing on them. One of them has this milk bar (borrowing a page from Majoras mask a great zelda game now on 3ds you should check out) This skyworld is pointless theres only one fight you get into on your giant bird and thats with a dragon that you play beach ball with till it dies (taking a page from Link To The past another good game.) So why even have it? I'll tell you why because the writers wrote themselves into a corner with the idea of having the "skyworld" so now you have a pointless sky world you have to skydive off of into the 4 levels. Did I mention the talking robot spirit in your sword? well its annoying unlike navi she was have her opinion heard no matter what you do. and its always the most obvious thing like "quicksand will trap you!". And you may think motion controls would be great in a Zelda game but their not! It just makes you have fewer bad guys with more gimmicky fighting style. This really shows as one of the most fun parts of the game is the one time sword guy summons 100 guys to swarm you as you just slice them down charging forward.

Gottservant · May 7, 2015

At what point is the argument a conversation?

Ken-1122 · May 8, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
"...they will say they love their spouse but you will be able to tell from their actions they don't like each other."

How would you know.the difference between this and a situation where they like each other, and say they love each other, but you can tell from their actions that they don't love each other.

I think it would be much more difficult to determine if two people love each other. An emotional connection is much more difficult to determine than two people with an ability to get along.

Ana the Ist said:
I'd say that love is an emotion. I think when you call it a "bond" it becomes misleading.

Why is it misleading?

Ken

Ana the Ist · May 10, 2015

Ken-1122 said:
I think it would be much more difficult to determine if two people love each other. An emotional connection is much more difficult to determine than two people with an ability to get along.

Why is it misleading?

Ken

It's misleading because it sounds like something that exists independent of either of two person's minds. It doesn't. It's not something floating around between couples and it's not something two people both feel. Love works exactly the
same as any other emotion.

You feel it ..that's it. You hope the other person feels it, but you never really know. That's it...there's no bond or anything.

I have to wholeheartedly disagree that you can't tell when two people love each other. The vast majority of those things that you mentioned that couples who say they love each do...they don't do.

Ken-1122 · May 12, 2015

Ana the Ist said:
It's misleading because it sounds like something that exists independent of either of two person's minds. It doesn't. It's not something floating around between couples and it's not something two people both feel. Love works exactly the
same as any other emotion.

You feel it ..that's it. You hope the other person feels it, but you never really know. That's it...there's no bond or anything.

I have to wholeheartedly disagree that you can't tell when two people love each other. The vast majority of those things that you mentioned that couples who say they love each do...they don't do.

Maybe I should have been more clear; when I said bond, I meant emotional bond. A bond is simply something that keeps multiple things together.

Ken

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