St. Paul Demonstrating Sola Scriptura In Scripture

[whitetiger1]

Okay I'll try to mention all the kook fringe Protestants groups all the time and assume you all believe that too.

 

[OpenDoor]

Because of the Council of the Church, otherwise we would have to be.

alright
We are not going to see eye to eye on this.

 

[OpenDoor]

Okay I'll try to mention all the kook fringe Protestants groups all the time and assume you all believe that too.

I don't think you believe in Mormonism (or Orthodoxy)
I presume that you believe in Roman Catholicism.

 

[whitetiger1]

Do you just think teachings fell out of the sky? Christ never mentioned this at all.

 

[whitetiger1]

I don't think you believe in Mormonism (or Orthodoxy)
I presume that you believe in Roman Catholicism.

It doesn't matter every time you all mention that your lumping us together, would you like to be lumped with a criminal all the time. Yes I do believe in Orthodoxy

 

[Kepha]

I completely and wholeheartedly trust the Holy Spirit to lead me to all truth concerning the things of God. Our Lord Jesus said, "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come" (John 16:13, emphasis added). If someone tells me something contrary to what is written in the Scriptures, than I will reject it outright. I test all things against Scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and I pray for understanding and discernment.

Just because you trust Him doesn't mean you're right does it since you are a fallible sinful human being. So why you said all that above is beyond me.

(1) If "All Scripture" only refers to the Old Testament, than every single word written in every book of the New Testament should be rejected as Scripture.

I'll simplify this for you and just focus on this one part since everything else you said feeds off this interpretation. In that passage, "All Scripture" meant 'All Scripture' available at that present time.
However today, it can mean 'All Scripture' available for us.

Now the problem for you is that you have to face reality and try to force your interpretation first on the OT only Christians during that early period in Church history, the same way you are forcing it all on us today with our complete NT Books. But you can't have it both ways so your intepretation easily falls by the wayside.

 

[OpenDoor]

Yes I do believe in Orthodoxy

I have a feeling that you are being disingenuous...
Do you use leavened or unleavened bread in communion?

 

[whitetiger1]

I have a feeling that you are being disingenuous...
Do you use leavened or unleavened bread in communion?

Don't know whatever the little wafers are. I believe the East and West are two lungs of the true Church and hope for the schism to be over someday between the two

 

[OpenDoor]

It doesn't matter every time you all mention that your lumping us together, would you like to be lumped with a criminal all the time.

If we were to have a serious conversation about Church Authority and One True Church why wouldn't they be brought up?

From my experience I would expect Mormonism to fit the bill better then Roman Catholicism, and probably Orthodoxy before both.

 

[OpenDoor]

Don't know whatever the little wafers are.

You were a Calvinist

 

[Kepha]

Acts17:[10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Sola Scriptura is simply searching the scriptures to see if whatever you hear from wherever is true (within context). This passage also shows how the NT gospel Paul was telling them could be verified by the types & shadows as well as the prophecies in the OT scriptures.

Since Paul was preaching Christ, He surely must have preached to them about Him also being the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity as well so they could grasp the significance of God's Sacrifice here. So where from the OT did He reason with them to prove the Holy Spirit to be the 3rd Person of the Holy Trinity? I mean according to you, they were all sS minded people, so even if not then, He'd eventually have to once they converted.

 

[OpenDoor]

Since Paul was preaching Christ, He surely must have preached to them about Him also being the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity as well so they could grasp the significance of God's Sacrifice here. So where from the OT did He reason with them to prove the Holy Spirit to be the 3rd Person of the Holy Trinity? I mean according to you, they were all sS minded people, so even if not then, He'd eventually have to once they converted.

Then God said, “Let us (plural) make mankind in our image, (plural) in our likeness, (plural) so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
So God created mankind in his own image, (singular)
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27

 

[Kepha]

AMEN and AMEN and AMEN!!! ALL SCRIPTURE means ALL SCRIPTURE.

Of course it does. So for them, it meant ALL the Scriptures (which happened to be the OT) at that time.
For us, it means All the Scriptures (which happens to be both the OT/ and NT) for our time.

 

[Kepha]

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27

Let us could mean 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 etc persons. Again, show me where God is but 3 and that 3rd Person of the Trinity is described in the OT that Paul would have had to teach the Bereans.

 

[OpenDoor]

Let us could mean 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 etc persons. Again, show me where God is but 3 and that 3rd Person of the Trinity is described in the OT that Paul would have had to teach the Bereans.

Right!
Since there are grounds for it, that would satisfy SS.

 

[OpenDoor]

Of course it does. So for them, it meant ALL the Scriptures (which happened to be the OT) at that time.
For us, it means All the Scriptures (which happens to be both the OT/ and NT) for our time.

Peter recognized Paul's writings as scripture.

 

[drjean]

I'm fairly new here... but aren't Roman Catholic arguments supposed to be in their own forum for that? I really do not know...but I can see how there isn't any real discussion when RCC enters a thread.

As for the Holy Spirit in the OT...how's this verse?
[FONT=Georgia, Garamond, serif] "And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease."--Numbers 11:25.[/FONT]

 

[OpenDoor]

I'm fairly new here... but aren't Roman Catholic arguments supposed to be in their own forum for that? I really do not know...but I can see how there isn't any real discussion when RCC enters a thread.

As for the Holy Spirit in the OT...how's this verse?
[FONT=Georgia, Garamond, serif] "And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease."--Numbers 11:25.[/FONT]

Catholics can post here and post their theology.

Edit - btw we are not allowed to debate Roman Catholics in their forum (OBOB)

 

[Kepha]

Right!
Since there are grounds for it, that would satisfy SS.

Well, grounds for it simply won't do if God left us Writings to the important things. I want something explicit. I mean don't tell me you expect the Bereans to just trust Paul to fill in the OT Blanks regarding the OT with His more explicit oral word do you?

Peter recognized Paul's writings as scripture.

Yeah so?

 

[OpenDoor]

Yeah so?

So not just the OT