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Amen brother! What an excellent post!
Keep preaching the Scriptures! It is written....
Yes, they do tend to resort to the Early Church Fathers in their attempts to justify and validate the extra-biblical doctrines and beliefs they hold, such as praying to Mary and to the saints in Heaven, purgatory, Mary being sinless and a perpetual virgin, the papacy, and the list goes on and on. It is rather ironic when both claim to be the one and only "true" Church, descending from the Apostles. It is sad how so many professing Christians choose to place their church traditions and doctrines above the Holy Scriptures. This practice is more prevalent when their traditions and doctrines clearly contradict what is written in the Holy Scriptures.
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That's why I remain here to fight the spam!
Amen brother! What an excellent post!
Keep preaching the Scriptures! It is written....
Yes, they do tend to resort to the Early Church Fathers in their attempts to justify and validate the extra-biblical doctrines and beliefs they hold, such as praying to Mary and to the saints in Heaven, purgatory, Mary being sinless and a perpetual virgin, the papacy, and the list goes on and on. It is rather ironic when both claim to be the one and only "true" Church, descending from the Apostles. It is sad how so many professing Christians choose to place their church traditions and doctrines above the Holy Scriptures. This practice is more prevalent when their traditions and doctrines clearly contradict what is written in the Holy Scriptures.
The real problem though is you're accepting a passage that does not deal with all scriptures but only the OT. I already corrected this before but it was ignored.
It's almost a process: misquote, ignore rebuttal, repeat misquote. Then it occasionally works when people such as your good self simply accept that misquote.
That's why I remain here to fight the spam!
Here's where I last noted what Irenaus was actually talking about
http://www.christianforums.com/t7621785-7/#post59495166
You may note that it really wasn't that long ago
Well I can't speak for Montalban, but I certainly would commend you for holding the bible as a higher authority than any of my theological ideas.You corrected it? OK. I'm curious as to why you think I should take your word on this and accept your personal interpretation and understanding of God's Word as solid, biblical truth. May I ask, what authority do you have in telling me how to understand God's Word? Did you receive a special anointing from God which enabled you to better understand and know the Scriptures more accurately than the Holy Spirit does? Do you know and understand the things of God better than He does? Are you more capable than He to interpret God's Word for me and then teach me what it truly says? If your answer is no to all the above questions I asked, then I choose to take God at His word, believing and trusting that His Word is infallible and inerrant (since He does not change or lie) and it will not return to Him in void, over anything you or anyone else has to say to the contrary. In other words, I will not accept and I will ignore your personal interpretation of Scripture and disregard anything you have to say that is contrary to what has been written in the Scriptures. I trust God, not you.
Don't. But don't just swallow any spam someone else gives you either.You corrected it? OK. I'm curious as to why you think I should take your word on this
I'm not asking you to.May I ask, what authority do you have in telling me how to understand God's Word?
Just what it saysWhat is your/your churches understanding of, "they received the message with great eagerness"?
You are grossly misrepresenting other Christians, we use Scripture and Tradition. You guys want to go it "alone"Irenaeus:
1. We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.
It's a clash for groups who like tradition "alone" to find out tradition supports scripture "alone" as the ground and pillar of our faith.
You are grossly misrepresenting other Christians, we use Scripture and Tradition. You guys want to go it "alone"
Not your version, you pick when it' convenient only to try to prove an erroneous doctrine I accept the Church that Christ foundedI know groups use both, didn't say they don't. Frankly, I try to use both too. In fact the very early church did also. They tried to trace proposed beliefs back to apostles. If they didn't find a connection or if they found the belief arose later, then they rejected it.
Since we know scripture says it's sufficient for salvation, then it's always nice to find early tradition that says the same. Don't you agree with scripture and tradition?
That does not demonstrate Scripture alone, they didn't abandon what they knew and just look at a book. At a certain point they had to step out in faith now that they knew the first lined up. Scripture alone has never been used in historic ChristianitySo they received the message (and examined the Scriptures).
As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.
Acts 17:12
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