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I didn't get further than "O fools".Jesus speaks here of those things,
Luke 24:25-27 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Peter speaks here of those things
Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Paul speaks here of those things
Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Just for more grins. Find where Christ referred to Tradition...What's been demonstrated is that Scripture is very important to the Church, as a source of revelation, as God's Word, and that a third party, an agent designated by and guided by God, is critical in understanding and explaining it.
Where would the virgin conception and bearing be without Mary?True. But ya gotta admit Paul did suffer a lot after his conversion to Jesus.
[I wonder where Christianity would be w/o my bro, Saul/Paul]
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name's sake."
2Corin 11:24
23 Are they servants of Christ?-- I speak as if insane--
I more so; in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death.
24 Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes.
25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep.…
26 I have been on frequent journeys, in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my countrymen, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers on the sea, dangers among false brethren
27 I have been in labor and hardship, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure
28 Apart from such external things, there is the daily pressure on me of concern for all the churches
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Yeah, we're still not quite there.But SS allows for the "not yet scripture" of Jesus' own words. SS does not limit the source of the truth to be tested against scripture.
SS simply iterates that scripture is the measure of Christian truth.
So you're thinking Christ wasn't the model for Paul. Par for your course.Then he told them, 'This is what I meant when I said, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, in the Prophets and in the Psalms, was destined to be fulfilled.' He then opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them, 'So it is written that the Christ would suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that, in his name, repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be preached to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses to this.
(Luke 24:44-48 NJB)
The passage that you quoted is addressed to the apostles many years before saint Paul had his Damascus Road vision of the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you not notice that the passage is not about saint Paul?
I didn't get further than "O fools".
Guess it is best to be poor and wise, than rich and foolish eheheI didn't get further than "O fools".
And what is the measure of Scripture, or to what authority do we refer in order to rightly determine what constitutes the compilation of writings to be considered as Scripture?But SS allows for the "not yet scripture" of Jesus' own words. SS does not limit the source of the truth to be tested against scripture.
SS simply iterates that scripture is the measure of Christian truth.
If you really want to throw around character slurs then I'll stop responding to your posts.So you're thinking Christ wasn't the model for Paul. Par for your course.
Obviously we go to his holiness the pope, and to church councils, and we avoid the rebellious folk who set up their sects in the 16th century as well as all the new sects that have arisen since then.And what is the measure of Scripture, or to what authority do we refer in order to rightly determine what constitutes the compilation of writings to be considered as Scripture?
If you really want to throw around character slurs then I'll stop responding to your posts.
That is a subject for another thread.And what is the measure of Scripture, or to what authority do we refer in order to rightly determine what constitutes the compilation of writings to be considered as Scripture?
MoreCoffee said: ↑
Where does holy scripture say that saint Paul read the old testament to learn about Jesus Christ? I think you made that up.
I think there there's a failure to understand Christ who said
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Does a fear of SS keep you from reading these things?
Then he told them, 'This is what I meant when I said, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, in the Prophets and in the Psalms, was destined to be fulfilled.' He then opened their minds to understand the scriptures, and he said to them, 'So it is written that the Christ would suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that, in his name, repentance for the forgiveness of sins would be preached to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses to this.
(Luke 24:44-48 NJB)
The passage that you quoted is addressed to the apostles many years before saint Paul had his Damascus Road vision of the Lord Jesus Christ. Did you not notice that the passage is not about saint Paul?
Why? If this thread is indeed about the claim that Paul was supporting "Sola Scriptura", then it is entirely relevant to discuss the ramifications of that claim, one of which is that in order to refer to Scripture as a measure of doctrine, one must have some other measure to refer to in order to identify what constitutes Scripture. This is surely not Scripture itself, ergo the full measure of doctrine is not defined by Scripture alone, but by Scripture in addition to that which defines the compilation of writings we know as Scripture.That is a subject for another thread.
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.And what is the measure of Scripture, or to what authority do we refer in order to rightly determine what constitutes the compilation of writings to be considered as Scripture?
One cannot regard the bible as a supreme authority without knowing what the bible is or where it came from.Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
Nothing there about what makes up scripture or who the interpreter is. It is simply that the bible is the supreme authority.
ivebeenshown said: ↑
And what is the measure of Scripture, or to what authority do we refer in order to rightly determine what constitutes the compilation of writings to be considered as Scripture?
I seem to recollect a thread on on that topic:Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
Nothing there about what makes up scripture or who the interpreter is. It is simply that the bible is the supreme authority.
A conversation was derailing another thread and so
I'm moving the discussion here.
We're discussing using Scripture as a measuring tool.
We're not calling this practice by any formal name,
just it is what it is, using Scripture to measure.
Here's how the conversation began:
I measure everything against Scripture, to the best of
my ability anyhow.
What would be a better measuring tool in your opinion?
sunlover
Was it not as it pertains to Christ in the bible that any and all decisions were made as to the authenticity of the writings?One cannot regard the bible as a supreme authority without knowing what the bible is or where it came from.
Was it not a tradition that defined what the Old Testament consisted of, before it was used to discern Christ among its prophecies?Was it not as it pertains to Christ in the bible that any and all decisions were made as to the authenticity of the writings?
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