St. Maximus the Confessor

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

I have seen plenty from Non-Chalcedonians in this thread and in other places. It;s hard to avoid such things when you and Minasoliman could manage to make it happen in any thread. Just stop! We don't agree! We have been separate since the 4t council! We have different saints! Everyone knows this, theres no need to make it happen in a single nother thread. Minasoliman, perhaps you could refrain from coming in here to raise OO vs. EO problems. There's nothing more annoying than petty sniping.

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

Marjorie said:
That's what I was saying. Unlike St. Francis, Severus was condemned by a council so we should not call him a saint. But respect for other human beings should be used. I wasn't criticizing you, just making a distinction in response to what choirfiend said.

In IC XC,
Marjorie

No problem.

I thought I was respectful.

Straightforward, but respectful.

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

Temper it by saying "your" saint serverus or something. We HAVE anathamized those who would use the Filioque and things, havent we? Are we not as equally separate from the RCC? Do they not have saints that have argued for heretical doctrines? Seriously, you two are the only ones who seem to start these things. Why not just determine to end it?

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

choirfiend said:
I have seen plenty from Non-Chalcedonians in this thread and in other places. It;s hard to avoid such things when you and Minasoliman could manage to make it happen in any thread. Just stop! We don't agree! We have been separate since the 4t council! We have different saints! Everyone knows this, theres no need to make it happen in a single nother thread. Minasoliman, perhaps you could refrain from coming in here to raise OO vs. EO problems. There's nothing more annoying than petty sniping.

A question for you, choirfiend, is why you intrude in what you regard as "petty sniping."

I do agree with one thing you said, however.

This:

Minasoliman, perhaps you could refrain from coming in here to raise OO vs. EO problems.

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

choirfiend said:
Temper it by saying "your" saint serverus or something. We HAVE anathamized those who would use the Filioque and things, havent we? Are we not as equally separate from the RCC? Do they not have saints that have argued for heretical doctrines? Seriously, you two are the only ones who seem to start these things. Why not just determine to end it?

I referred to Severus respectfully as Severus of Antioch.

You do what you want, but don't ask me to agree.

I don't refer to post-Schism RC saints as "St. So-and-so" either.

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

Because this is a public forum and I think it is a bad witness.

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

Do you refer to Pope John Paul as Pope? Do you call your local Methodist church's minister "Pastor Joe" when you meet him? Would you call OO Bishops Mar ____? Would you call the synagogue's leader Rabbi? Using the term of respect or name of position is not recognition or acceptance of whatever that person taught.

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

choirfiend said:
Because this is a public forum and I think it is a bad witness.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I think the failure to answer Non-Chalcedonian arguments is a bad witness.

I think referring to Non-Chalcedonians as "Oriental Orthodox" is not only a patent falsehood, but a very bad witness.

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

Just using the term Orthodox doesn't make the church Orthodox any more than some vagante group using the term Orthodox in their name would make them Orthodox. Do we refuse to call the RCC Catholic, since the EOC is the Universal Church?

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

choirfiend said:
Just using the term Orthodox doesn't make the church Orthodox any more than some vagante group using the term Orthodox in their name would make them Orthodox. Do we refuse to call the RCC Catholic, since the EOC is the Universal Church?

Suit yourself.

The Orthodox, at least, should use the term Orthodox to signify the truly Orthodox.

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

In the eternal words of John Lennon...

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it beeeeeeee!

Maximus · Jul 21, 2005

choirfiend said:
In the eternal words of John Lennon...

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it beeeeeeee!

O-bla-di-o-bla-da

choirfiend · Jul 21, 2005

Life goes on, auaoooooon, la la la la life goes on!

minasoliman · Jul 21, 2005

I'm sorry to have caused trouble.

We'll get back to the original question.

If anyone has anymore suggestions on St. Maximus's readings, I'll be glad to take them.

God bless.

Mary of Bethany · Jul 22, 2005

choirfiend said:
In the eternal words of John Lennon...

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it beeeeeeee!

errrm . . . uhhh . . . . 'scuse me, but that would be the eternal words of Sir Paul McCartney.

carry on

choirfiend · Jul 22, 2005

yah yah, the beatles are all the same....

(oooooo, scandalous!)

HandmaidenOfGod · Jul 22, 2005

The true cause of schism between the EO and RCC: the Patriarch of Constantinople like Paul better than John. (Beatles that is...)

RobNJ · Jul 22, 2005

Isn't Paul McCartney the patron saint of mediocrity?

Mary of Bethany · Jul 22, 2005

Only if you consider songs such as "Hey Jude", "Yesterday", "For No One", "Let It Be", "Blackbird", "Eleanor Rigby", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "And I Love Her", etc. etc. etc. etc., as mediocre.

Mary

RobNJ · Jul 22, 2005

Mary of Bethany said:
Only if you consider songs such as "Hey Jude", "Yesterday", "For No One", "Let It Be", "Blackbird", "Eleanor Rigby", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "And I Love Her", etc. etc. etc. etc., as mediocre.

Mary

I'm thinking of the stuff he's done since the Beatles

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