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This is who you call "saint" Mont...
Martin Luther
The Anti-Semite father of Christian Protestantism
The following quotes concerning Hebrews and Judaism are from the father of Christian Protestantism, Martin Luther:


Whoever would like to cherish such adders and puny devils -- who are the worst enemies of Christ and us all -- to befriend them and to do them honour simply in order to be cheated, plundered, robbed, disgraced, and forced to howl and curse and suffer every kind of evil, to him I would commend the Jews. And if this is not enough, let him tell the Jews to use his mouth as a privy, or else crawl into the Jew's hind parts, and there worship the holy thing, so as afterwards to be able to boast of having been merciful, and of having helped the Devil and his progeny to blaspheme our dear Lord.
Martin Luther, "Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor" by Peter F. Weiner (1985, Gustav Broukal Press)

I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.
Martin Luther, Introduction to On the Jews and Their Lies

Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7] Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18] Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did... You are of your father the devil.
It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...
Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.
...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39] You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they suck the marrow from our bones.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies -- that is, longer than two thousand years.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

..Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule -- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us.... With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly acts...
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books -- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible -- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

...they remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

...that everyone would gladly be rid of them.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Undoubtedly they do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

They [rulers]must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did... If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

We are at fault for not slaying them [the Jews]
Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Their synagogues ... should be set on fire.
Their homes should be broken down and destroyed. They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like Gypsies, in order that they may realize that they ... are ... but miserable captives.
They should be deprived of their prayerbooks and Talmuds.
Their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more.

What shall we Christians do now with this depraved and damned people of the Jews? ... I will give my faithful advice: First, that one should set fire to their synagogues... Then that one should also break down and destroy their houses... That one should drive them out the country.

The Jews are the most miserable people on earth. They are plagued everywhere, and scattered about all countries, having no certain resting place. They sit as on a wheelbarrow, without a country, people or government... but they are rightly served, for seeing they refused have Christ and his gospel, instead of freedom they must have servitude.

Either God must be unjust, or you, Jews, wicked and ungodly. You have been, about fifteen hundred years, a race rejected of God.

What shall we do with...the Jews?...
I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings... are to be taken from them.
I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.
I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.
...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.
...their homes also should be razed and destroyed.

Does this like a man who was filled with the Love of God and who shared the love Christ with others?
 
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Here are John Calvin's own words about Michael Servetus:
"If he(Servetus) comes(to Geneva), I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."

"I hope that the verdict will call for the death penalty."

In Geneva, on October 27, 1553, Michael Servetus was tied to a stake and was burned slowly to death:

www.encyclopedia.com/articlesnew/11716.html


Here is what John Calvin had to say about Michael Servetus after he was burned to death:

"Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that(they allege) I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face."

"Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt."
 
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It's called an imperative lionroar. Do you understand what that is? Do you honestly believe that that verse indicates that man, in this life, will ever be perfect?

Yes.

Being perfect likeour Father, does not mean that we share in His essence but partake of it freely with out the hindrance of sin.

We have this hope. We have the hope of becoming Saints. That is being perfected in this life, because of the grace of Christ. That is we have the hope of becoming like Adam and Eve who walked with God, befofe they sinned.

Your christian tradition does not teach this.

Catholicism does and others teach something similar.
 
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I know what your thinking:p

Being perfect likeour Father, does not mean that we share in His essencd but partake of it freely with out the hindrance of sin.

Peace
or else why would have Jesus and John and Peter have said it if we aren't supposed to be it? It is simply becoming once again what we lost in the fall. Holy children of God... not dung covered up like Luther taught
 
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True light of salvation?

“And the Apostle most distinctly testifies, that “death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned,” (Rom. 5:12); that is, are involved in original sin, and polluted by its stain. Hence, even infants bringing their condemnation with them from their mother’s womb, suffer not for another’s, but for their own defect. For although they have not yet produced the fruits of their own unrighteousness, they have the seed implanted in them. Nay, their whole nature is, as it were, a seed-bed of sin, and therefore cannot but be odious and abominable to God.”

John Calvin

In short Calvin believed if infants aren’t baptized they are going to Hell.

I looked but I didn't see anything in that quote about baptism. Was that part of the larger context from which you prooftext? :scratch:
 
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...he mostly taught heresy.

And I have no doubt that Calvin would have worn such an accusation as a badge of honor, submitting that to align oneself with the teachings of Rome is to align oneself against Scripture.
 
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Tell you what, prove to us these dudes are in heaven...

Michelle, for our edification, prove that any person whom Scripture itself does not say is in Heaven is there. Just one will do. Thanks.

Pray to them and see if they can grant you a miracle from God. Becuase God was so darned pleased with all the accomplished he will hear their prayers...

If that's not an indication of what Catholics expect should happen when they pray to a saint I don't know what is. Of course, these are your own words but, based on recent activity, I'm sure someone will turn it into an attempt to have me banned. Some people do that I hear.
 
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Yes.

Being perfect likeour Father, does not mean that we share in His essence but partake of it freely with out the hindrance of sin.

We have this hope. We have the hope of becoming Saints. That is being perfected in this life, because of the grace of Christ. That is we have the hope of becoming like Adam and Eve who walked with God, befofe they sinned.

Your christian tradition does not teach this.

Catholicism does and others teach something similar.

LOL! He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is why "my Christian tradition" denies the validity of such a claim.

You guys make this far too easy...
 
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or else why would have Jesus and John and Peter have said it if we aren't supposed to be it?

Strange...Pelagius, you know, the heretic, said that if God commands something of man then man must be able to do it.

Where did I hear that recently...:scratch:
 
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Here are John Calvin's own words about Michael Servetus:


Here is what John Calvin had to say about Michael Servetus after he was burned to death:
2 things....Servetus came to geneva trying to flee CATHOLIC persecution for denying the trinity....
John Calvin though known as the man whom burned servetus actually had nothing to do with it!
 
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LOL! He who says he is without sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is why "my Christian tradition" denies the validity of such a claim.

You guys make this far too easy...



This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. They were perfec in Christ and through Christ. It's a process that takes a lifetime.

From your reponce it looks like you were under the misguided notion that Saints do not sin.

They are not Saints, because they did not sin. They are Saints because, they confessed their sins.



If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.


Peace
 
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This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. Just like I have been posing all along.


share with me how your saint Dymphna confessed her sins throughout her life!
 
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share with me how your saint Dymphna confessed her sins throughout her life!

Through the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

She was baptised as a young woman. Her sins wiped clean at baptism and then everytime she partook of the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

Peace
 
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Through the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

She was baptised as a young woman. Her sins wiped clean at baptism and then everytime she partook of the Sacrament of reconsiliation.

Peace
You don't and can't know this she ran for her life until she lost it! From her father no less! Apparently not respectful of at least 1 commandment!
 
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This why the Saints were perfected in Christ, because they confessed their sins, through out their entire lives and were made righteous by Christ. They were perfec in Christ and through Christ. It's a process that takes a lifetime.

Actually, it is a process that takes more than a "lifetime" as we retain some measure of our old nature even after being recreated by God. It is only when God removes all vestige of sin from our being and confirms us in a state of perpetual grace that we are truly perfected in Christ. Where you denomination errs is in assuming that anyone has been completely perfected while still in their sinful flesh, which is certainly not supported by anything Scriptural, nor is it something that any of you could actually verify.

From your reponce it looks like you were under the misguided notion that Saints do not sin.

They are not Saints, because they did not sin. They are Saints because, they confessed their sins.

Well, sad as that theory may be, our confession is the response to the work of God, not the means to it. I know, I know. You see your works as just as integral to the forgiveness of your sins as Christ's work. Forgiveness is a joint venture. So much for that whole "don't boast" thing but the idea of being made perfect in this life, truly perfect in deed and in thought, is nothing if not unbiblical.


If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

You, the saints, these mythical Saints you love to goggle over, me, every created person ever created, all of us, will be sinners, imperfect, until the day that God glorifies us in Heaven. Your denomination's unbiblical claims of perfection in this life, while in this sinful coil, are simply the clanging of bells and have no place in the heart of a believer. In fact, such claims were typical of Pelagius whom, as I previously pointed out, was condemned for heresy.
 
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You, the saints, these mythical Saints you love to goggle over, me, every created person ever created, all of us, will be sinners, imperfect, until the day that God glorifies us in Heaven. Your denomination's unbiblical claims of perfection in this life, while in this sinful coil, are simply the clanging of bells and have no place in the heart of a believer. In fact, such claims were typical of Pelagius whom, as I previously pointed out, was condemned for heresy.

It is only when God removes all vestige of sin from our being and confirms us in a state of perpetual grace that we are truly perfected in Christ.

In fact, such claims were typical of Pelagius whom, as I previously pointed out, was condemned for heresy

Because he stated that we could work for Grace and achieve a perfect life by working for Grace.

And we have the hope that God will remove all vestige of sin in this life by cooperating with God's Grace.

Your christian tradition does not teach this.

Peace





 
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