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Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Romans 8
29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;
30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
This is most ridiculous thing of all. We, even you, are well aware that referring to the children of God as saints is not only endorsed in Scripture, but a part of both of our sets of beliefs. Your issue is with the fact that we are capatalizing the word in reference to someone you and your denomination despise. That is all there is to your bluster. We show honor to Calvin because we believe he did a great thing in spreading the Truth of Scripture. That the byproduct of his doing so was the enlightenment of many to the unbiblical practices of your denomination was completely secondary. Identifying the unbiblical nature of the teachings of your denomination is simply an unavoidable fruit of spreading the truth.
Any student of the Scriptures is well aware of the way God uses some people in greater ways than others. The glory for this, of course, belongs primarily and foremost to God Himself, who works all in all. That said, it is perfectly fine to acknowledge those who have made contributions to the Kingdom that are more visible and influential than others, for it helps us to emulate those we admire.
You and your religious kin presume that because you have differentiated by the use of a grammatical device that such distinction is the domain of you and yours alone. It simply isn't and such presumption reveals nothing more than arrogance. In short, if you don't like what's on T.V., change the channel.
Wow...that was snappy. Makes absotely no sense nor does it have the first thing to do with our debate. The Scriptures are not from your denomination. They are from God. Even the early church recognized this with their acknowledgement that they received the truth of God rather than having established it as such.
In case that was too rational for your unbalanced way of viewing things, I'll spell it out. I want everything to do with the Truth of God and nothing to do with your denomination's perversion of the Scriptures, or their own overblown and unjustified claim of authority.
In case that was too rational for your unbalanced way of viewing things, I'll spell it out.
You guys bow to statues of the creation because you're giving glory to the Creator. Sure. Good one. Giving glory to God because of the works of His servant is completely different than what both your and the Roman denomination do.
One of my favorite verses in all of the Bible. Knowing that God's love for His elect ensures that they were predestined unto eternal fellowship with Him and called to that purpose and will be likewise justified and glorified through the dispensation of His invincible grace is truly a comfort to those who trust in God rather than in the traditions of man for their redemption. Truly, it renders those who laud the "free will" of man, as does your own error laden denomination, as truly the purveyors of untruth and nothing more.
It would be just like a Catholic to miss the forest for the trees. What we see in this thread is nothing more than anti-Calvinism. Despite your posturing, the world doesn't revolve around your denomination.
The rest of your post was drivel, which doesn't necessarily distinguish it from the portion to which I did respond. Either way, your version of "objective" is only that which is endorsed by the leaders of your denomination. As they would never see Calvin as a saint worthy of admiration, I doubt I could provide anything that sufficed for your jaded understanding of "objective."
The rest of your post was drivel, which doesn't necessarily distinguish it from the portion to which I did respond. Either way, your version of "objective" is only that which is endorsed by the leaders of your denomination. As they would never see Calvin as a saint worthy of admiration, I doubt I could provide anything that sufficed for your jaded understanding of "objective."
That's the crux, isn't it? The basis of these discussions on Calvin and Luther? We are all saints if we are His. It really is that simple. There is no call from Scripture for what the RCC does regarding Sainthood.I could see him as a saint. Not as a Saint. If he did something worth admiring then shows us what it is.
Instead posting assertions and claims with no evidence.
Peace
That's the crux, isn't it? The basis of these discussions on Calvin and Luther? We are all saints if we are His. It really is that simple. There is no call from Scripture for what the RCC does regarding Sainthood.
As I suspect. There is no objective evidence with in your christian tradition to the giving the title of Saint to a person. Which is a Catholic practice.
The above is the reason why the CC canonizes Saints.
As we have shown it isn't just a grammatical device. There is an actual process. The above is nothing but another straw man.
False dichonomy the ealry church was the Catholic Church and she recognized the Scritpures.
A stated the anti-catholicism is showing.
I'm well aware what anthropcentric means. It means centered around man.
God became man. He was born into this world as a man and God. Catholicism is centered around only one man that is Jesus who is also God.
LOL. You know nothing about me.
Kristos is not Roman Catholic he is Eastern Orthodox.
You know the other Church which also is in the pracitice of Canonizing Saints. Which I mentioned a few posts back.
Peace
If you would stop condeming that which you neither understand nor know and actually learn.
The CC does teach limited predestation.
I could see him as a saint. Not as a Saint. If he did something worth admiring then shows us what it is.
That's your opinion.
For those of us who do have the christian practice of calling people Saints, there's plenty of Scriptural proof.
OK, so we have apostles of Christ & ambassadors of Christ... but lets not have an Attorney General for Christ!Well I would say that saints was used first by Paul and I know He was not catholic.. He was jewish.He also was an ambassador for Christ..
OK, so we have apostles of Christ & ambassadors of Christ... but lets not have an Attorney General for Christ!
Oh, I have no problem calling people saints. That is biblcial....over 60 verses if I recall correctly.
However, none of those verses require a formal recognition by the RCC, and special feast days, praying to them, attributing miracles to them or elevating any of them above another one. In fact, most (if not all)of those verses address believers that are still alive on earth. Simply put, biblically, there are believers/saints and there are non-beleivers/not saints.
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