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Persecutions and inquisitions, not becoming of a church that hails itself as the "true church" tend to be a cause of animosity at the very least!A little digging into historical facts and you will see where all this hatred, bias and bigotry for the Catholic Church comes from.
Persecutions and inquisitions, not becoming of a church that hails itself as the "true church" tend to be a cause of animosity at the very least!
As would being an ex-Catholic
Darlin,On whose authority did the Reformers speak?.
In that small sense yes, one can call them a saint but it's pure conjecture, pure speculation, it's holding out the virtue of hope for them is what it is, hope is one of the three theological virtues that Christ died to give us.
In Christ we can have hope for anyone's salvation even two like Calvin and Luther because they were baptized, they were born again. Becuase of Christ, no one is ever with out hope.
Your faith comes down to you from the Puritans who came from England to America to establish a anti Catholic, anti Anglican, anti anything that does not agree with them, world.
It didn't work out for them... Catholicism flourished none the less but what it did do is create this phenomena of religious hatred and bias.
So back to my point, it's a little, pot calling the kettle blackish to get offended because we do not view Calvin in the same light as you do.
He can not be called a saint simply because his life examined reveals he did not possess any of the fruits of a great Saint.
10% of which is perfectly explainable &/or forgiveable of those cuddly Popes!BenedictaWhich 90% has been proven to be either a myth and or a out right lie.
That's right! One Papal Apology only a few centuries later... so we're good now, right?But it doesn't matter, John Paul ll made amends with all the world religions and apologized for any atrocities the Church did commit if she had committed any.
Easy with the bold print there, fella... We're sorry we forced freedom of religion down your throat, not to mention freedom of speech & democracy...So... what's your point? When has any of the Protestant communities ever apologised and did penance for the factual mass murder the Reformation resulted in?
Does Billy Graham kissing the pope's pinky ring count for nothin'!?!?...(or was that an atrocity?Well...? when has any protestant leader ever apologize and did penance for any of the atrocities the Reformers indeed committed in God's name?
We're sorry we forced freedom of religion down your throat, not to mention freedom of speech & democracy...
Yes everything get's better when you give 2 people who have never read a book double the political influence of, let's say, Plato. God did not made Israel a democracy, he made it a monarchy under God.democracy
That contradicts order. Then, the servant's of the Devil can fool people without getting punished for it.freedom of speech
Yes, no one must blaspheme God! "freedom of speech" is one of the reasons that so many are atheists and heretics today and the reason that Satanism does even exist. I say Down with "freedom of religion"!freedom of religion
No, your faith, i.e set of beliefs which include anti Catholic bias and disdain, hatred for the pope, was brought over here on the mayflower.My faith comes from God, for it is a gift of His grace. I am not arrogant enough to assume, as you clearly do, that I believe because I'm smarter than the non-believer. The Puritans, thankfully, saw the corruption in the Catholic faith and, thus, cast aside the traditions of man in favor of the simple doctrine of God's grace in redemption. That your denomination has yet to realize its arrogance regarding God's grace in redemption is not within my power to rectify.
I think it is working out just fine. Many people recognize the anthropocentric nature of your denomination's teachings and have embraced the God centered awareness of the doctrines of grace.
I'm not offended by your disdain for Calvin. To me it's evidence that he strikes at the heart of the self-centered doctrines of your faith. I'd be more surprised if you did have something nice to say about Calvin than the fact that you don't. What I've found ridiculous is that you and yours presume to have a corner on the saint title, as if it is so simply because your denomination says so. Utter drivel in my opinion. The "great" saint is the one through whom God accomplishes His will because God, not man, is sovereign, for that greatness reflects the grace and mercy of God.
Just because your denomination does not recognize the God centered teachings of Calvin doesn't minimize his role in God's plan to reveal the unbiblical teachings of your denomination, whether you call him "great" or not. It really matters very little, as your church disregards the Truth of the Gospel for the self imposed "authority" of your denomination.
was from the plain reading of scripture and studies from the ECf's such as Augustine
No, your faith, i.e set of beliefs which include anti Catholic bias and disdain, hatred for the pope, was brought over here on the mayflower.
Calvinism came from Calvin, hence it's called Calvinism. Your belief originated in the 16th century and 300 years later it was brought over here on a boat and because of paranoia, thinking the pope wanted to take over the new world, anti Catholic rhetoric and propaganda (aka lies, myths and misconceptions) spread about.
Ppl in America who hate the Catholic Church do so because of the bigotry and discrimination the early English colonist created out of a inordinate fear of the Church. IOW, you were taught to hate the Church.
Columbus had to include spreading Christendom in his agenda or he never would've gotten Catholic funding to get here."thinking the pope wanted to take over the new world"
True, but this not license to ignore common sense."What all of us read will be subjective and never objective."
A Church, not a Pope. Reforming the lie of works based salvation is Un-Spin. That is why it is called Reform. The truth had been so corrupted that the common practices were becoming equaly corrupt.That's why Christ ave us a Church... not Martin Luther's spin.
I wouldn't call it so much anti-catholic as I would Pro-scripture.Sorry guys, but it is what it is. do some research into early American history.
Anti Catholicism is that last acceptable bias we have here.
Sun, are you reading the thread? How can you say they guys aren't anti Catholic?
You also need to read the Calvinist profession of faith. It goes way beyond just disagreeing, being anti Catholic is pretty much a creed to them. It's very much part of what they believe.
This page is devoted to identifying anti-Catholicism on the Web. Anti-Catholicism (like anti-Semitism in some ways) is not easy to define. I am often tempted to apply the "definition" of pornography advanced by Justice Stewart of the United States Supreme Court: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."
My definition is drawn from the history of anti-Catholicism in America: I believe that modern anti-Catholicism continues (with some interesting variations) the religious themes of the Protestant Reformation and the secular (anti-clerical) themes of the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment periods. In the United States these two strands became intertwined in nineteenth century Nativism, and they have continued (though attenuated) up to the present. Their presence on the Web simply reflects the fact that all kinds of ideas (mainstream and marginal) are now disseminated in this way.
Anti-Catholic themes may be loosely categorized as follows:
attacking Catholicism as being un-Christian or a cult (in the pejorative and not the sociological sense);
ridiculing or misinterpreting Catholic doctrine or practice;
ascribing to the Catholic Church a sinister role in an anti-Christian or anti-American conspiracy;
distorting or taking out of context illegal or scandalous behavior (especially sexual misconduct) by Catholic clergy or laity.
I label a web-site as anti-Catholic if it falls into one or more of the above categories. Obviously, there are some gray areas: How to distinguish between anti-Catholicism and legitimate differences with the Catholic Church? Further, given the ever widening sexual scandal which has engulfed the Catholic Church in the past few years, a great deal of material has appeared on the Net which is highly critical of the Catholic Church but which cannot be considered anti-Catholic. How to decide when a site crosses the line? These are difficult questions and I have indicated any site about which I have doubts. I am always willing to discuss this question with anyone who disagrees with me. Surprisingly, only one person has ever challenged my description of his site as anti-Catholic; even more surprisingly, a number of webmasters have written and asked that their sites be linked. (One correspondant asked if his site was not "anti-Catholic enough" to be included.)
Over the years, a number of people have urged me to label as anti-Catholic any site containing the views of Catholics who are dissenting from the teachings of the Church hierarchy. (Most of these are liberal, but there are a few conservative ones. Examples of such sites can be found by searching for "liberal catholic" and "anti-catholic" on any search engine.) I have refused and will continue to do so. My goal is to document the continuing presence on the Net of one of the oldest prejudices in America, and I do not want to be sidetracked by the internecine wars within Catholicism.
When I first created this site (roughly 10 years ago), my goal was to be comprehensive and provide a link to every anti-Catholic site on the web. Up to the last revision in 2000 this was possible (barely). However, in recent years the number of such sites has grown exponentially and I am no longer able to link to them all. In this most recent revision my goal is to update all the links and add some of the many links which have been sent to me in the past four years. I welcome all suggestions for new links, even if I am not able to add every one which is sent to me.
On August 13, 2004, I completed a major overhaul of this site, the first since August, 2000. In the future I hope to make more frequent updates.
On August 24, 2005, I completed a minor update. I hope to add a large collection of links which were sent to me by a reader in the near future.
Finally, a personal note: I am a Roman Catholic and a lay Franciscan brother. My views are not easily categorized as either "liberal" or "conservative" since I hold strong views in both directions. (Some indication of this can be seen by the links on my personal home-page.) I became interested in anti-Catholicism in America when I was in college and I found a copy of Keith Green's The Catholic Chronicles outside a Catholic Church. This web site was a natural outgrowth.
The rest of this site is organized as follows:
Religous Anti-Catholic Sites
An extensive collection of anti-Catholic web-sites maintained by various Protestant groups. Many are devoted to "saving" Catholics. Also of interest are the attacks on fellow Protestants who are perceived as being "soft" on Catholics.
Secular Anti-Catholic Sites
A smaller collection of secular anti-Catholic web-sites. Many of these are not specifically anti-Catholic: rather, this is one facet of a more general anti-Christian stance. Never-the-less, many of the themes of historical anti-Catholicism appear in them.
The History of Anti-Catholicism
Sites which document the history of anti-Catholicism, primarily in the United States but also in England. This also contains links to electronic versions of classical anti-Catholic works. (Many of these are being republished by groups identified above.)
Catholic Responses to Anti-Catholicism
Catholic individuals and organizations (most quite conservative) which are responding vigorously to the dissemination of anti-Catholic material by presenting both specific responses and general Catholic apologetics. This has resulted in a curiously isolated debate between these two camps.
Controversial Topics
Links to material about controversial subjects (e.g. abortion) in which either anti-Catholic references appear or charges of anti-Catholicism are made. Many of these are ephemeral and I suspect that these links will change frequently.
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