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St. Augustine of Hippo

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tigersnare said:
What was the point of the O.T. sacrficial system?

Do you really think the animals that were sacrificied in the OT were punished, that their suffering bought forgiveness? The point of the sacrificial system was spiritual training. Through it, the Israelites saw that they has to give up things to serve God and that sin ultimately leads to death.

Think about Abraham. Why was he righteous? It is not because he sacrificed his son. It is because he was willing to. He trusted God and obeyed.

What was the point of Christ's sacrifice?

Christ died so that we could die with Him and be buried with Him. He rose again that we might rise again with Him.
 
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tigersnare said:
Intresting reply, I can even begin to understand a Theology that doesnt' have righteouness through faith in Christ at it's core......so I wont' try. thanks for answering though.

Who said we don't have righteousness through faith in Christ at the center of our theology? We simply disagree on what 'faith' means.
 
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tigersnare said:
Intresting reply, I can even begin to understand a Theology that doesnt' have righteouness through faith in Christ at it's core......so I wont' try. thanks for answering though.

The problem lies in using a purely juridicial framework to understand theology. In other words, sin, atonement and salvation are only seen as legal transactions.
 
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Was St. Augustine really a good man? I've heard so many conflicting things about him. For example, Jack Chick, the publisher, states in one of his magazines that Augustine supported the oppression of Protestants by the Catholic Church. I want to believe that Augustine was a good man, but was he?
This is rather simple, but might Chick be confusing Augustine of Hippo with Augustine of the Counter Reformation?
Just a thought..
 
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Kripost said:
The problem lies in using a purely juridicial framework to understand theology. In other words, sin, atonement and salvation are only seen as legal transactions.

I know of no theological framework that sees sin, atonement and salvation only as legal transactions. The legal aspect is in the language of justification. But the doctrine of justification is not the entirety of the gospel.
 
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2+2=5 said:
This is rather simple, but might Chick be confusing Augustine of Hippo with Augustine of the Counter Reformation?
Just a thought..
I think its more likely that Chick is just plain confused about everything. :)
 
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Was St. Augustine really a good man? I've heard so many conflicting things about him. For example, Jack Chick, the publisher, states in one of his magazines that Augustine supported the oppression of Protestants by the Catholic Church. I want to believe that Augustine was a good man, but was he?

.....there was no Protestants a tthe time of St Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)

St Augustine of Hippo was a good man, there is no doubt about that :)

His "Just War" Criteria is very interesting.
 
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Kripost said:
The problem lies in using a purely juridicial framework to understand theology. In other words, sin, atonement and salvation are only seen as legal transactions.

This is not my position. Nor of any reformed person I've met or read, sin is never a purely legal transaction, nor is grace, nor is salvation, nor is the atonement. Justification, yes, I understand it to be a legal declaration.
 
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One unfortunate part of Augustine's influence is his stamp of approval on the persecution of heretics. At the time the Donatists were the target. (Augustine, Donatists, Chapter 2)

"Again I ask, if good and holy men never inflict persecution on anyone, but only suffer it, whose words do they think those are in the Psalm where we read, 'I have pursued my enemies and overtaken them. I did not turn again until they were consumed'? So if we want to declare or recognize the truth, there is a persecution of unrighteousness, which the unholy inflict upon the church of Christ, and there is a righteous persecution, which the church of Christ inflicts upon the unholy. Moreover, [the church] persecutes in the spirit of love; they, in the spirit of wrath..."

Not one of his more popular teachings...
 
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