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Why would anybody use the reasoning they had at the Dover trial? A dolphin looks more like a shark than a human, yet the human and the dolphin are much more closely related. It's elementary.
the only thing bad about dover was how the board handled the case and also how the Judge overstepped.
https://www.discovery.org/a/2341
the experiment, if successful, would only further prove that life must be createdThe holy grail of evolution is to simulate life in the laboratory and claim this proves the idea of the origin of life. It is impossible to prove life is a result of a random process in the laboratory.
I say this for the simple fact that the experiment must be orchestrated. Any interaction from an external being removes the truly random component from the experiment. Simply by observing the experiment, touching, or measuring any part of it excludes it from being purely random. Hence the experiment becomes immeasurable and proves nothing.
I didn't realize there was a evolution sub-forum. Moderator move this if needed please.
the only thing bad about dover was how the board handled the case and also how the Judge overstepped.
https://www.discovery.org/a/2341
The holy grail of evolution is to simulate life in the laboratory and claim this proves the idea of the origin of life. It is impossible to prove life is a result of a random process in the laboratory.
I say this for the simple fact that the experiment must be orchestrated. Any interaction from an external being removes the truly random component from the experiment. Simply by observing the experiment, touching, or measuring any part of it excludes it from being purely random. Hence the experiment becomes immeasurable and proves nothing.
I didn't realize there was a evolution sub-forum. Moderator move this if needed please.
the experiment, if successful, would only further prove that life must be created
science proves that life could only have been originally created as follows:
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7)
The judge directly applied precedent, namely Lemon v. Kurtzman and Edward v. Aguillard. That's not overstepping. That is directly applying the laws that are already on the books.
So your premise is faulty, the judge did not directly apply precedents from Kurtzman (which was an ambiguous case at best) or Aguillard directly.
the only thing bad about dover was how the board handled the case and also how the Judge overstepped.
https://www.discovery.org/a/2341
So by the testimony in court from board member William Buckingham, one board member - Jeff Brown - was initially in favor of supporting the statement about intelligent design. However, he actually changed his mind and at a time when the majority were favoring the insertion of intelligent design into the Dover school science curriculum, he voted against it. Not based on any evidence, but based on instruction, as he understood it, from God.
I submit this for everyone to ponder. How does one understand such an event? What would be the cause of such an event? No doubt each of us will interpret this bald testimony in accordance with our own opinions about evolution and intelligent design. I for one take it as evidence that accepting evolution and spirituality are not incompatible.
Why did William Buckingham not heed the word from God as relayed to him by Jeff Brown? As it turns out, heeding that word from God would have saved the school board and the taxpayers of Dover much expense and embarrassment. I accept that both Jeff and Bill were trying to do God's will as best they knew how. I also accept that God was only able to use one of them to do His will. A fact that should give us all pause.
Do you not believe in an all-powerful god? Is god somehow limited in his abilities?
What are you talking about? There is a massive section in the Judge Jones' decision that directly applies the Lemon test to the case.
"Finally, although Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony, such a strategy constitutes additional strong evidence of improper purpose under the first prong of the Lemon test."
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District/6:Curriculum, Conclusion - Wikisource, the free online library
So by the testimony in court from board member William Buckingham, one board member - Jeff Brown - was initially in favor of supporting the statement about intelligent design. However, he actually changed his mind and at a time when the majority were favoring the insertion of intelligent design into the Dover school science curriculum, he voted against it. Not based on any evidence, but based on instruction, as he understood it, from God.
all I am saying is that they are unrelated because the rulings were different.
I know what you are saying. What you are saying is wrong. Judge Jones in his decision spent pages and pages applying the Lemon test to the court case.
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