Spiritual Knowledge

[katerinah1947]

Who was the person who called you?

Sorry if you already explained that part...your story is long and a little confusing.

Hi,

That's the twist that was no twist in the end. Someone anyone was supposed to call me, but I was not supposed to know that person. And, it turns out that I did not.

The other condition was that the person who called me, would have to tell me something that has a long lasting effect.

So, two days before I have to leave town, my daughter calls me. She is not the person who fulfilled the test. She tells me a personna non gratis, is trying to reach me, she wants to tell me something. Well I know this person's name, so it is no big deal. She has severe mental issues, and is quite dangerous to be around for long.

The next day comes. I get her phone call, she wanted to tell me something. Oh My! I couldn't believe it. It was that nice. Apparently with all she did and does, she has feelings of love for me. That I never ever expected, but. But I knew her name.

I was on the road the next day. I had a learner's permit for Class 1 driving. The guy I was with let me do 1300 miles over the next few days. He said he was impressed with my lane control later. That was the reason he let me drive so much on my first exposure to a Semi.

Did you know they wiegh 30,000 pounds empty? I was impressed. And mine got 8.25 mpg, but I did not want to get a ticket so I always stayed at or under the posted speed limit.

Well when I told the priest the priest about the incident, and he heard me say, "On the 27th day...." He responded "Oh the timing" I did not know he was having issues with all this. However, I was extremely concerned because I knew her name, and had not gotten to that part yet.

I was so upset, that I don't remember my exact words. The effect was this. Wait a minute, I know her name. I was not supposed to know the person, and I know her name. That may invalidate the entire thing.

This part I remember. He was never looking at me. His head is still down and to the side. He starts to talk. "I do this for a living this is The Holy Spirit"

I for sure did not know why he said that. I just knew that he had confirmed not only all of what I saw, but my mystical marriage also. And, I wondered how he could say that so forcefully. How did he know that I did not know her, when I knew her name.

About 6 years passed. One day I am visiting, and this hugely mentally ill person came up. My daughter and I were talking about her. Soon I realized that my daughter had different stories about every situation than I did, from this woman. Then we both realized that she gave us stories and kept them straight somehow, so that we never ever knew who she actually was.

Then I knew for the first time, why that priest was right. I did accept his findings, for all that I had seen and experienced, and who asked me that qeustion in late 2007, and for Whom that question was asked for. It took that long for me to understand what that priest told me years earlier.

And what she had said, has helped me immensely with other people like her. I did not know that Narcissists can actually love. I did not.

LOVE,

 

[Ana the Ist]

Hi,

That's the twist that was no twist in the end. Someone anyone was supposed to call me, but I was not supposed to know that person. And, it turns out that I did not.

The other condition was that the person who called me, would have to tell me something that has a long lasting effect.

So, two days before I have to leave town, my daughter calls me. She is not the person who fulfilled the test. She tells me a personna non gratis, is trying to reach me, she wants to tell me something. Well I know this person's name, so it is no big deal. She has severe mental issues, and is quite dangerous to be around for long.

The next day comes. I get her phone call, she wanted to tell me something. Oh My! I couldn't believe it. It was that nice. Apparently with all she did and does, she has feelings of love for me. That I never ever expected, but. But I knew her name.

I was on the road the next day. I had a learner's permit for Class 1 driving. The guy I was with let me do 1300 miles over the next few days. He said he was impressed with my lane control later. That was the reason he let me drive so much on my first exposure to a Semi.

Did you know they wiegh 30,000 pounds empty? I was impressed. And mine got 8.25 mpg, but I did not want to get a ticket so I always stayed at or under the posted speed limit.

Well when I told the priest the priest about the incident, and he heard me say, "On the 27th day...." He responded "Oh the timing" I did not know he was having issues with all this. However, I was extremely concerned because I knew her name, and had not gotten to that part yet.

I was so upset, that I don't remember my exact words. The effect was this. Wait a minute, I know her name. I was not supposed to know the person, and I know her name. That may invalidate the entire thing.

This part I remember. He was never looking at me. His head is still down and to the side. He starts to talk. "I do this for a living this is The Holy Spirit"

I for sure did not know why he said that. I just knew that he had confirmed not only all of what I saw, but my mystical marriage also. And, I wondered how he could say that so forcefully. How did he know that I did not know her, when I knew her name.

About 6 years passed. One day I am visiting, and this hugely mentally ill person came up. My daughter and I were talking about her. Soon I realized that my daughter had different stories about every situation than I did, from this woman. Then we both realized that she gave us stories and kept them straight somehow, so that we never ever knew who she actually was.

Then I knew for the first time, why that priest was right. I did accept his findings, for all that I had seen and experienced, and who asked me that qeustion in late 2007, and for Whom that question was asked for. It took that long for me to understand what that priest told me years earlier.

And what she had said, has helped me immensely with other people like her. I did not know that Narcissists can actually love. I did not.

LOVE,

So the short version of the test was...

You would receive a call within a month from a person you didn't know, and this person would give you info that would be important to you later on. 27 days after that, you got a call from a crazy woman who you only knew her name and she told you some stuff that was important later on...

Since that happened...you knew the experiences you were having were from god. Is that about right?

You also mentioned a "mystical marriage"....what is that?

Earlier, you mentioned a group of psychologists and psychiatrists. Were you seeing one of them...or were they just friends of yours?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Ana if you died and went to heaven, IIRC you said you may well change your belifs about religion. Yet, all would be based in experience and "sense data" so to speak.

So, you are open to "religious truth" or not?

Assuming you can never "see" god directly, the workings of the universe are ambiuous etc... Then why the hardline interpretation of "spitritual truth" in this world, demanding maximums of evidence, when in fact if you went to heaven it may be affirming the consequent (i.e. if God then heaven, heaven, therefore God) to start to believe all of a sudden.

After all, heaven may be a computer program youve been playing in, unawares, or whatever.

So for me spiritual truth is an attitude towards the ultimately untestable, and the "truth" is not directly accessed, rather its a free possibility taken from a myriad of untestable alternative philosophical and religious interpretations of reality. The spiritual truth we have is our relatinship to the unseen and untestable, via our subjective faith based filters and models. And the consequent effects on our "spirituality" (inner life, motives, networks of drives etc)...

So its a mode of being, based on an attitude, and its "truth" is not necessarily objective, rather its just people have seperate ways of relating to life and experience.

If Truth is correspondence to fact, and facts are sense driven concepts, then this is out of order. But then, wouldnt we all be solipsists or phenomenalists, if we didnt allow a little of the unseen to enter outr lives?

 

[katerinah1947]

So the short version of the test was...

You would receive a call within a month from a person you didn't know, and this person would give you info that would be important to you later on. 27 days after that, you got a call from a crazy woman who you only knew her name and she told you some stuff that was important later on...

Since that happened...you knew the experiences you were having were from god. Is that about right?

You also mentioned a "mystical marriage"....what is that?

Earlier, you mentioned a group of psychologists and psychiatrists. Were you seeing one of them...or were they just friends of yours?

Hi,

1. Yes, to your first sentence.

2. No, in terms of a crazy person to laymen, yes to parts of the rest of that sentence. It was important at the time. It was important later. It is important now. The person is not functionally crazy. She belongs to a group of people that all of us deal with everyday, but are unaware of it. Some of us go to them for medical care. Some of us, work for them. All of us to some extent are governed by them. So, no on the crazy person set of words.

Typically, that person belongs to the talented and gifted set, and she mightily is. Her writing and her mental faculties are extreme compared to you and I. In life, I was told while working around her and with others like her, that her type if they are good enough, are never ever exposed for what they are and do. Even thier spouses usually don't find out, and can live their entire lives under the effects of those kinds of what you callled 'a crazy person'.

3. He knew, that the test was ansered by God. I wasn't sure for 5 more years or so. Also, the experiences were from the last two years. They were things that had already happened. The check by the church authority called a Spiritual Director, was to see if I was crazy among other things. The test was also to see if I was deceived by any sort of self or evil influence.

4. (Left out for now.)

5. I am on Medicare now, and I am also supposedly (scientifically said), transgendered. When it was now the Government's Job to take over my medical treatments for that condition, a requirement is for a Psychiatrist or a Ph.D. level Psychologist to clear the person of a mental condition that would indicate the person is not Gender Dysphoric.

So, in 2014, I had to go to a Ph.D. level Psychologist. She gave me my second full Psychiatric exam in my life. The first one was for a job I was accepted at, and I was cleared for, surprising even me. In this last exam, I would be surprised again, but totally cleared and more.

She apparently had noticed a series of uncountered accusations by amateurs and untrained people, who had the effect of making my life miserable by their unfounded accusations, which took me time to clear. She said for my issues, which she said are not Pathologies, but Real in my case, when the general public hears about them, even judges make mistakes.

Thus she said, I am writing a letter to protect you. Jung, was a mystic. There are others. You are a mystic and you have been corroborated by the person I mentioned, and you have been corroborated by one other person who is on staff. We do know what we are talking about. You are a medical mystic and the general population will hurt you for this, and have hurt you.

Normally, people like me hide out, she said. I don't hide, and take the hits from incredulous people and have my entire life. To counter those accusations from the untrained, I go and they never do, to medical professionals, who have always cleared me, for the last 65 years of my life, as not me who has the problem of mental illness or insuffient thinking abilities or educations, but all the ones who have accused me, falsely on the issue of insanity.

Since I don't hide out, she wrote that letter and pronounced me also Gender Dysphoric, thus I was cleared then for the Government to take care of that medical issue for me.

In that sense, yes, I have seen mental health professionals. Two were for jobs, the rest were for false accusations leveled against me, by mentally ill people.
(The largest group so far, comprising 3 people over a period of more than twenty years each, with each of them now under the care of mental health professionals and all taking medicines to handle thier conditions better, and maybe another 10 to 14 people of shorter durations, most of whom were work related or crime related.)

I am not going to edit the above. I hope I have made no mistakes. You are somewhat accurate in your assessment, but your alluding to crazy people and my acceptance of the words of a crazy person and my possible situation of being crazy, is highly unlikely, given all the checks and balances of highly educated and professional people who have helped me make sure, that I have made no errors so far.

LOVE,

 

[GrowingSmaller]

What I mean is that an atheist has their version of "spiritual knowledge", even if it is less fuzzy and warm. Because they have an attitude towards the unseen. Or they may just be "agnostic" but I think their reasoning is justifies unto themselves to some degree, therefore not a random choice.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Ana if you died and went to heaven, IIRC you said you may well change your belifs about religion. Yet, all would be based in experience and "sense data" so to speak.

So, you are open to "religious truth" or not?

Assuming you can never "see" god directly, the workings of the universe are ambiuous etc... Then why the hardline interpretation of "spitritual truth" in this world, demanding maximums of evidence, when in fact if you went to heaven it may be affirming the consequent (i.e. if God then heaven, heaven, therefore God) to start to believe all of a sudden.

After all, heaven may be a computer program youve been playing in, unawares, or whatever.

So for me spiritual truth is an attitude towards the ultimately untestable, and the "truth" is not directly accessed, rather its a free possibility taken from a myriad of untestable alternative philosophical and religious interpretations of reality. The spiritual truth we have is our relatinship to the unseen and untestable, via our subjective faith based filters and models. And the consequent effects on our "spirituality" (inner life, motives, networks of drives etc)...

So its a mode of being, based on an attitude, and its "truth" is not necessarily objective, rather its just people have seperate ways of relating to life and experience.

If Truth is correspondence to fact, and facts are sense driven concepts, then this is out of order. But then, wouldnt we all be solipsists or phenomenalists, if we didnt allow a little of the unseen to enter outr lives?

What's the difference between "religious truth" and regular old "truth"? The fact that you distinguish between the two highlights the problem.

My problem would be things like "attitude" or the way something makes us "feel" doesn't necessarily reflect reality.

You do realize that don't you? Have you ever felt like someone liked you and found out later that they don't? Have you ever felt someone was telling you the truth and found out later it was a lie?

The only things these attitudes and feelings necessarily reflect is the way you feel. They reflect nothing external.