Spiritual is not Material

[rockytopva]

Because the spiritual is neither material or mental it can be acquired without educational or material assets.

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

And we are subject to the gravity of the spiritual regardless of our material worth or mentality.

 

[rockytopva]

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

 

[Aaron112]

The flesh is flesh. Everything born of the flesh is flesh. Every man is flesh regardless what they do.
The flesh profits nothing, nothing at all.
Man cannot become clouded by contact with earthly things, because man is flesh, carnal. (not alive)
The flesh cannot be purified. There is no native clarity in the sinful flesh, or in the flesh at all.

 

[rockytopva]

The flesh is flesh. Everything born of the flesh is flesh. Every man is flesh regardless what they do.
The flesh profits nothing, nothing at all.
Man cannot become clouded by contact with earthly things, because man is flesh, carnal. (not alive)
The flesh cannot be purified. There is no native clarity in the sinful flesh, or in the flesh at all.

Native clarity - Notice, though, the sweetness and purity of the newborn.

 

[Aaron112]

Native clarity - Notice, though, the sweetness and purity of the newborn.

No. A newborn is UNCLEAN if neither parent is redeemed.

 

[rockytopva]

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I would love to say something like... Follow this mental doctrine and you will be set for life! But... I have found good and bad in every mindset.

 

[AV1611VET]

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From AI Overview:

Many Christian denominations believe that humans are born with a sinful nature, a condition known as original sin. This belief is based on the idea that humans inherited sin from Adam and Eve after they disobeyed God.

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Would it be better to consider a newborn a "mutant copy error"?

From the Smithsonian Magazine:

Why Is Every Human Being Riddled With Genetic Errors?

Does that gall you?

 

[AV1611VET]

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We are born with a sin nature.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

It resides in our flesh and is passed on by the seed of the man.

This is why Jesus was born of a virgin -- else He too would have had the sin nature and been in need of a saviour.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Notice the emphasis on Eve's seed re Jesus Christ -- not Adam's.

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Correct.

There is no virtue in the sin nature.

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How about Wikipedia then?

Original sin in Christian theology refers to the condition of sinfulness that all humans share, which is inherited from Adam and Eve due to the Fall,

SOURCE

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Like it or not, we're all sinners.

As I said in an earlier post, there are two kinds of people in the world:

Sinners and sinners saved by grace.

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I'm glad it galls you.

It did me too.

And I did something about it.

I repented of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour.

 

[Aaron112]

"In 1 Corinthians 2:14, Paul states that a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned.46

This passage indicates that someone who has not been spiritually transformed cannot comprehend spiritual truths. The term "natural man" refers to a person who is focused on worldly things and lacks spiritual understanding.18

The inability to understand spiritual matters is not limited to unbelievers but can also apply to believers who are carnal-minded, meaning they are controlled by their fleshly desires and natural senses rather than the Spirit of God."

 

[Aaron112]

"In the context of spiritual matters, the term "flesh" refers to the natural, unregenerate state of a person who does not have the Spirit of God. Such a person cannot understand spiritual things because they are foolishness to them and cannot be discerned without the guidance of the Spirit.234+1

The Bible emphasizes that the natural man, or the one living according to the flesh, does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, as they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them.245

This concept is further elaborated in the New Testament, where it is explained that the flesh represents a state of independence from God, leading to corruption and separation from God."

 

[rockytopva]

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Mass is equal to plasma. I would like to take an organic chemistry class and marvel on how all of that came together.

 

[rockytopva]

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wondering on the origins of the English ego as well.

 

[rockytopva]

If virtue is not knowledge can it be taught? If not... Is it not a Devine gift?

 

[rockytopva]

Is not spiritual virtue important? The forces that causes us to take interest in the topics of science to begin with? "The virtue that is in us comes not from nature, nor is it taught, but is put in us by the divinity." - Plato

 

[Johan2222]

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

If that’s what your work hints at, it is deception and delusion.

Psalm 51:5 KJV
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 7:18 KJV
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Proverbs 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

 

[rockytopva]

Early ventures into the spiritual... *At fifteen I was bent upon learning. At thirty I stood firm. At forty I was free from doubt. At fifty I knew the dictates of heaven. At sixty my ear was obedient for the reception of truth. At seventy could follow what my heart desired without transgressing that which was right. *What the superior man seeks, is in himself; what the ordinary man seeks, is in others. *If the will be set on virtue, there will be no practice of wickedness. *The superior man learns in order to attain to the utmost of his principles. *The superior man in everything puts forth his utmost endeavors. *What the superior man requires is that in what he says there may be nothing inaccurate. *The superior man in all things considers righteousness essential. *The superior man is anxious lest he should not get the truth; he is not anxious lest poverty come upon him. *Good and evil do not wrongly befall men but Heaven sends down misery or happiness according to their conduct. *The superior man wishes to be slow in his words and earnest in his conduct. *The faults of a superior man are like the sun and the moon he has his faults and all men see them. He changes again and all men look up to him. *The superior man is satisfied and composed; the ordinary full of distress. *The superior man is distressed by his lack of ability; he is not distressed by men not knowing him. *That wherein the superior man cannot be equaled is simply this, his work which other men cannot see. *The superior man has neither anxiety nor fear. *They who know virtue are few. - Confucius

 

[rockytopva]

Early ventures into the spiritual.... Those not charitable cannot long endure adversity. *There are men who invent what they do not know. I do not. *With wisdom there is no delusion, with charity, there is no worry, with courage, there is no fear. The superior man is free and bountiful. The ordinary man bound and grieving. *In ancient times men would hesitate to speak out, for their conduct, if falling short, would be shameful. *The superior man helps others to accomplish good. *Do not be concerned about others not appreciating you. Be concerned about your not appreciating others. *The superior man is at peace without being arrogant. The ordinary man is arrogant without being at peace. *When in the right, there is action without orders. When in the wrong orders are ignored. *Having made a mistake, not to correct it is a mistake indeed. *What is to be done with those who say, What is to be done? What is to be done? *Men who do not care about the future will soon have trouble. *A superior man is ashamed if his words outshine his actions. *There are times when a superior man is not charitable, but at no times is the fool charitable. *The superior man is faithful to what is right, irrespective of others faith in him. *To spread hearsay mindlessly is to abandon virtue. *Only the wisest and most dull-witted are unchangeable. *Confucius to Tsze-Hea: I am fortunate! If I have faults, people are sure to know them. Mencius: When anyone told Tsze-loo that he had a fault, he rejoiced. *Behave towards everyone as if receiving a great guest. *To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it. *The superior man rests in this that he will indulge in no injurious ease. *Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men. *Things that have their origin in heaven tend upward; things that have their origin in Earth, tend to what is below. - Confucius

 

[rockytopva]

That's a solid 'no' to there being any science in this thread I take it.

A holy and a spiritual curiosity are very important... "The key to success for Sony, and to everyone else in business, science, and technology is to never follow the others." - M. Ibuku. "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help to be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough when one tries to comprehend a little of this mystery every day." - Albert Einstein

 

[rockytopva]

There is no proving God with what the atheist call science. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." - Revelation 3:30. It takes the opening of other doors to prove that which is eternal.

 

[Aaron112]

14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean

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You ought first read thru the whole entire Bible.

At least check for what is written instead of make such ungodly statements as you posted.
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For the rest of you who are in mixed marriages—Christian married to non-Christian—we have no explicit command from the Master. So this is what you must do. If you are a man with a wife who is not a believer but who still wants to live with you, hold on to her. If you are a woman with a husband who is not a believer but he wants to live with you, hold on to him. The unbelieving husband shares to an extent in the holiness of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is likewise touched by the holiness of her husband. Otherwise, your children would be left out;
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EASY
God accepts a husband who does not believe in Christ because of his Christian wife. And God accepts a wife who does not believe in Christ because of her Christian husband. If that was not true, the children would not belong to God.
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AMPC
For the unbelieving husband is set apart (separated, withdrawn from heathen contamination, and affiliated with the Christian people) by union with his consecrated (set-apart) wife, and the unbelieving wife is set apart and separated through union with her consecrated husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean (unblessed heathen, outside the Christian covenant)