Spiritual is not Material

[rockytopva]

Because the spiritual is neither material or mental it can be acquired without educational or material assets.

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

And we are subject to the gravity of the spiritual regardless of our material worth or mentality.

 

[rockytopva]

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

 

[rockytopva]

The flesh is flesh. Everything born of the flesh is flesh. Every man is flesh regardless what they do.
The flesh profits nothing, nothing at all.
Man cannot become clouded by contact with earthly things, because man is flesh, carnal. (not alive)
The flesh cannot be purified. There is no native clarity in the sinful flesh, or in the flesh at all.

Native clarity - Notice, though, the sweetness and purity of the newborn.

 

[rockytopva]

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I would love to say something like... Follow this mental doctrine and you will be set for life! But... I have found good and bad in every mindset.

 

[AV1611VET]

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From AI Overview:

Many Christian denominations believe that humans are born with a sinful nature, a condition known as original sin. This belief is based on the idea that humans inherited sin from Adam and Eve after they disobeyed God.

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Would it be better to consider a newborn a "mutant copy error"?

From the Smithsonian Magazine:

Why Is Every Human Being Riddled With Genetic Errors?

Does that gall you?

 

[AV1611VET]

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We are born with a sin nature.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

It resides in our flesh and is passed on by the seed of the man.

This is why Jesus was born of a virgin -- else He too would have had the sin nature and been in need of a saviour.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Notice the emphasis on Eve's seed re Jesus Christ -- not Adam's.

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Correct.

There is no virtue in the sin nature.

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How about Wikipedia then?

Original sin in Christian theology refers to the condition of sinfulness that all humans share, which is inherited from Adam and Eve due to the Fall,

SOURCE

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Like it or not, we're all sinners.

As I said in an earlier post, there are two kinds of people in the world:

Sinners and sinners saved by grace.

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I'm glad it galls you.

It did me too.

And I did something about it.

I repented of my sins and accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour.

 

[rockytopva]

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Mass is equal to plasma. I would like to take an organic chemistry class and marvel on how all of that came together.

 

[rockytopva]

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wondering on the origins of the English ego as well.

 

[rockytopva]

If virtue is not knowledge can it be taught? If not... Is it not a Devine gift?

 

[rockytopva]

Is not spiritual virtue important? The forces that causes us to take interest in the topics of science to begin with? "The virtue that is in us comes not from nature, nor is it taught, but is put in us by the divinity." - Plato

 

[Johan2222]

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

This work hints that the real nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with earthly things and therefore needs purification before it can shine forth in its native clarity.

If that’s what your work hints at, it is deception and delusion.

Psalm 51:5 KJV
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 7:18 KJV
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Proverbs 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

 

[rockytopva]

Early ventures into the spiritual... *At fifteen I was bent upon learning. At thirty I stood firm. At forty I was free from doubt. At fifty I knew the dictates of heaven. At sixty my ear was obedient for the reception of truth. At seventy could follow what my heart desired without transgressing that which was right. *What the superior man seeks, is in himself; what the ordinary man seeks, is in others. *If the will be set on virtue, there will be no practice of wickedness. *The superior man learns in order to attain to the utmost of his principles. *The superior man in everything puts forth his utmost endeavors. *What the superior man requires is that in what he says there may be nothing inaccurate. *The superior man in all things considers righteousness essential. *The superior man is anxious lest he should not get the truth; he is not anxious lest poverty come upon him. *Good and evil do not wrongly befall men but Heaven sends down misery or happiness according to their conduct. *The superior man wishes to be slow in his words and earnest in his conduct. *The faults of a superior man are like the sun and the moon he has his faults and all men see them. He changes again and all men look up to him. *The superior man is satisfied and composed; the ordinary full of distress. *The superior man is distressed by his lack of ability; he is not distressed by men not knowing him. *That wherein the superior man cannot be equaled is simply this, his work which other men cannot see. *The superior man has neither anxiety nor fear. *They who know virtue are few. - Confucius

 

[rockytopva]

Early ventures into the spiritual.... Those not charitable cannot long endure adversity. *There are men who invent what they do not know. I do not. *With wisdom there is no delusion, with charity, there is no worry, with courage, there is no fear. The superior man is free and bountiful. The ordinary man bound and grieving. *In ancient times men would hesitate to speak out, for their conduct, if falling short, would be shameful. *The superior man helps others to accomplish good. *Do not be concerned about others not appreciating you. Be concerned about your not appreciating others. *The superior man is at peace without being arrogant. The ordinary man is arrogant without being at peace. *When in the right, there is action without orders. When in the wrong orders are ignored. *Having made a mistake, not to correct it is a mistake indeed. *What is to be done with those who say, What is to be done? What is to be done? *Men who do not care about the future will soon have trouble. *A superior man is ashamed if his words outshine his actions. *There are times when a superior man is not charitable, but at no times is the fool charitable. *The superior man is faithful to what is right, irrespective of others faith in him. *To spread hearsay mindlessly is to abandon virtue. *Only the wisest and most dull-witted are unchangeable. *Confucius to Tsze-Hea: I am fortunate! If I have faults, people are sure to know them. Mencius: When anyone told Tsze-loo that he had a fault, he rejoiced. *Behave towards everyone as if receiving a great guest. *To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it. *The superior man rests in this that he will indulge in no injurious ease. *Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men. *Things that have their origin in heaven tend upward; things that have their origin in Earth, tend to what is below. - Confucius

 

[rockytopva]

That's a solid 'no' to there being any science in this thread I take it.

A holy and a spiritual curiosity are very important... "The key to success for Sony, and to everyone else in business, science, and technology is to never follow the others." - M. Ibuku. "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help to be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough when one tries to comprehend a little of this mystery every day." - Albert Einstein

 

[rockytopva]

There is no proving God with what the atheist call science. "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." - Revelation 3:30. It takes the opening of other doors to prove that which is eternal.

 

[Johan2222]

Early ventures into the spiritual... *At fifteen I was bent upon learning. At thirty I stood firm. At forty I was free from doubt. At fifty I knew the dictates of heaven. At sixty my ear was obedient for the reception of truth. At seventy could follow what my heart desired without transgressing that which was right. *What the superior man seeks, is in himself; what the ordinary man seeks, is in others. *If the will be set on virtue, there will be no practice of wickedness. *The superior man learns in order to attain to the utmost of his principles. *The superior man in everything puts forth his utmost endeavors. *What the superior man requires is that in what he says there may be nothing inaccurate. *The superior man in all things considers righteousness essential. *The superior man is anxious lest he should not get the truth; he is not anxious lest poverty come upon him. *Good and evil do not wrongly befall men but Heaven sends down misery or happiness according to their conduct. *The superior man wishes to be slow in his words and earnest in his conduct. *The faults of a superior man are like the sun and the moon he has his faults and all men see them. He changes again and all men look up to him. *The superior man is satisfied and composed; the ordinary full of distress. *The superior man is distressed by his lack of ability; he is not distressed by men not knowing him. *That wherein the superior man cannot be equaled is simply this, his work which other men cannot see. *The superior man has neither anxiety nor fear. *They who know virtue are few. - Confucius

How gracefully Confucius was able to let us know about the details of his exaltation.

Amazing also that you are able to testify of your own purity, saying you;

“could follow what my heart desired without transgressing that which was right.”

Unfortunately I cannot lie, I am far from being a superior man. In fact, if truth be told, I am only too aware of the fact that I am a worthless lazy covetous selfish wretched man and I know when they lower me into the grave I shall be far less evil than I am today.

What is however the most encouraging thing of all to me is that when I am raised from the ground I shall be like the son of God.

1 John 3:2 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Luke 18:10-14 NKJV
"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. [12] I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' [13] And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Sounds like Confucius was even more righteous than the Pharisee.

 

[rockytopva]

When a wise scholar hears the spiritual, he practices it diligently. When a mediocre scholar hears the spiritual, he wavers between belief and unbelief. When a worthless scholar hears the spiritual, he laughs at loud at it. But if it such a one didn't laugh, the spiritual would not be spiritual. The way to greater light leads through darkness. The even path seems rugged. All life embodies darkness and embraces light, through their union achieving harmony. - Lao-Tzu

 

[Johan2222]

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On your way to work when you stopped to fill up your car, how many other peoples cars did you fill up?

How many hours early did you get to work and how many hours did you work before you clocked in?

After you clocked out how long did you continue working for free?

How many hitchhikers did you pick up on the way home?

How long did it take you to walk around your neighbourhood and pick up trash?

Oh no, I am so terribly sorry, I have made a huge mistake, please accept my profuse apologies.

I forgot, you don’t have a car or central heating or a stove or electricity or any appliances that cause any global warming because you live in poverty under a palm tree so that you can try and save the world.

Thank you so much for being one of the only righteous holy people around, we all worship you and we so desperately wish we could be like you.

Sorry that we are unworthy and that we use cars and electricity and running water and although we know this all causes global warming and suffering for our fellow man we are kind of selfish really and we don’t really think too much about the pain it causes others.

I mean, when we see peoples houses being washed down the river and their kids drowned in floods and burning to death in fires and all their possessions being taken away we kind of feel sorry for them, but not enough to do anything about it that is going to make any appreciable difference.

We know that we have contributed to it but to be honest, we don’t really care enough to give up our cars or give up our stoves or give up our air-conditioning or our central heating or our kettles or our tv’s or our hair dryers or our cell phones or our microwaves and saunas and swimming pools and holidays abroad and our precious electricity.

We know that the Earth is being ravaged to feed our consumerism and I read recently that the average human brain now actually contains one plastic spoons worth of micro plastic but to be honest, I still use plastic stuff because it is so much cheaper and convenient than other alternatives and to be honest I’m more focused on my own convenience than thinking about how much plastic people have to eat or how much plastic fish have to eat or birds or anything else living on the planet.

Sorry, I really do wish that I could be better, but I just am so focused on my own convenience that I don’t really think of those kind of consequences.

In fact, to be kind of honest, I am so deluded that I have kind of persuaded myself that none of the consequences of my consumerism are really my fault and I like to think that I cannot really do anything about them anyway, because like a lot of people I am pretty good at persuading myself that I am a decent guy. Sorry.

I am just being honest, please don’t hate me for it.

I know that a lot of us are too focused on ourselves so sorry for being selfish but thank you so much for being one of the righteous holy ones who always does the right thing all the time no matter what.

Oh, that I had the faith and righteousness to live under a palm tree in poverty like you.

Sorry that so many of us are so sick and twisted but no matter how much I think about it I never seem to be able to raise my game.

Please tell me which palm tree you are living under and I will try and visit you and bring you some food and clothing.

I promise not to bring any rayon or nylon or polyester clothing because I know you only use natural fibres. I also won’t bring any food that contains preservatives or has been canned or packaged or picked by illegal aliens or sprayed with pesticides or transported using anything but an ox cart or a donkey cart.

I will try to think of other considerations that you would want to be applied to account for your great righteousness, but I probably won’t get everything right. Sorry.

Thank you so much for your great charity and self sacrifice and righteousness and may God bless you abundantly for your holy life.

 

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Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[AV1611VET]

AMPC
For the unbelieving husband is set apart (separated, withdrawn from heathen contamination, and affiliated with the Christian people) by union with his consecrated (set-apart) wife, and the unbelieving wife is set apart and separated through union with her consecrated husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean (unblessed heathen, outside the Christian covenant)

Then why did Saul of Tarsus, who had a godly mother and grandmother, have to get saved?