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Spirit Filled?
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heterodoxical
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Everyone claims to be Born Again. Everyone claims to have the Spirit inside of them. Few meet the criteria for it.
Romans 8:9 if the spirit of God indwells you, you are no longer in the flesh. There isn't a biblical instance of both inyou at the same time.
are you free of the flesh yet?
btw flesh isn't body, it's not related to body either. Not in that context.
Romans 8:9 if the spirit of God indwells you, you are no longer in the flesh. There isn't a biblical instance of both inyou at the same time.
are you free of the flesh yet?
btw flesh isn't body, it's not related to body either. Not in that context.
A person that is a Born Again Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling inside them.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
KJV
1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you ?
KJV
The Disciples were born again here.
John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
KJV
They did, The Holy Spirit was in them.
Then Jesus told them:
Acts 1:4
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
KJV
Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
They were born again before the Day of Pentecost. On the Day of Pentecost they were baptized in the Holy Spirit and He came UPON them, He was already IN them.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit coming UPON them was for witnessing.
8c and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
The Holy Spirit stays IN us. He does not stay UPON us except while we are "witnessing".
"Witnessing" can be a multitude of things. From telling someone about Jesus at work to Preaching. From just living a godly lifestyle, which is a very powerful witness to laying hands on the sick.
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Simon_Templar
Not all who wander are lost
Flesh is here contrasted with spirit. It does not refer to the physical body, but to the soulish, selfish, aspect of man.
Earlier Paul says, those who live according to the flesh set their minds on things of the flesh but those who live according to the spirit set their minds on things of the spirit.
This essentially defines what it is to be in the spirit or in the flesh. It is defined both by what you live "according to" and what you set your mind on.
The conotation here is not merely what you think about, but more so what you desire and seek after. If your desires and aspirations are focused on the things of the flesh, which are the things of our selfish, soulish self, and if we live according to those things... or in other words, if those things are the guiding principles that guide the choices we make, and the deeds we do, then we are in the flesh.
If on the other hand, your focus, you desires, your apsirations are set on the things of the spirit.. which are the love and knowledge of God, and those things are the guiding principle of your life.. you are in the spirit.
Paul seems to use the phrase "walking in spirit" and "in spirit" synonymously, indicating that the idea is really about what guides and determines the course of your life.. you decisions, your deeds, etc.
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heterodoxical
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I accept every word you said. Well explained. I think the NIV won this one.l with sinful nature...
Now, according to Paul, ifs an either or lifestyle, not a bouncing one.
Gal 5:16 walk by the spirit can't give into temptation. To stok walkkmg would be said temptation, but you wont give kino temptation, so yiu cant walk away then.
Rom 8:9 says yiu are either ome or the other.
Before the sspirit indwells you, yij are with a sin nature, and the spirit battles from the oitside to get in. Bit when it indwells yoi the flesh os gone, removed as aa circumcision ddone by christ. Col 2:11
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Simon_Templar
Not all who wander are lost
I'm not sure the extent to which you mean 'bouncing' and 'either or'. However, my belief based on scripture is that God gives those who call upon him the graces necessary to live in the spirit and those graces never fully depart in this life. As Paul says the gifts of God are without repentence.
Thus I don't believe that a person ever loses the grace of spiritual regeneration, or being born again, which ever term you prefer. However, whether that grace is effective in you is another question.. does it bear fruit?
When we face final judgement the question is not simply, did you receive God's grace? the question is "did God's grace bear fruit in you?"
Now, I believe that people can make bad decisions, people can fail etc, and yet continue on the path of righteousness.
Proverbs talks about the righteous man falling seven times and getting up to continue on. I'm also reminded of Saul and David since there was recently a thread about them...
Saul and David both committed sins, in some ways David's were worse than Saul's... yet David was accepted while Saul was rejected. David was called a man after God's heart, while Saul was told that he was not a man after God's heart. The difference was not that one sinned and the other didn't. They both sinned, they both made bad decisions. They both gave in to selfish desires.
The difference was that even when David gave in to self (the flesh) and sinned... he genuinely still loved righteousness and hated sin. Even when he gave in to the desires of the flesh, his heart was still to follow after God and he truly regretted and hated his own sins.
The same was not true of Saul.
So... if by "either or" that in order to truly walk by spirit you can never fail, or give in to the flesh, or sin.. then I would disagree.
If you mean that you can't be double minded and, even when you fall short, you must always keep your heart set on God, and loving what God loves, and hating what God hates... then I would agree.
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heterodoxical
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Bounce = no going from spirit to flesh, flesh back to spirit, etc.... You are born in the flesh, the Spirit battles the flesh from the outside, changing you in mind and heart. You begin the race to Him at a point in life and the battle moves from Spirit calling to really hitting the flesh. When the flesh indwells you rom 8:9 shows the flesh is gone.
There is no giving in to what is not there.
From that point, you are walking by the Spirit, not by the Flesh.
You have moved from the narcissistic me me me nature to a servant agapao do for others nature.
Since the flesh is totally gone, removed by a circumcision done by the hands of Christ, not man's ability, it's gone permanently.
So once you are indwelled by the Spirit, there is no going back, THERE is the eternal security everyone talks about. During the growth/maturing stage, you can fall, falter, etc. But once he's indwelled that other part is gone, rom 8:9, and HE is in control, gal 5:16.
That's why I cringe when people say the sinful nature will be there for all their life. It's not what scripture says.
Or that they will sin all their life, that is directly against scripture.
There is no giving in to what is not there.
From that point, you are walking by the Spirit, not by the Flesh.
You have moved from the narcissistic me me me nature to a servant agapao do for others nature.
Since the flesh is totally gone, removed by a circumcision done by the hands of Christ, not man's ability, it's gone permanently.
So once you are indwelled by the Spirit, there is no going back, THERE is the eternal security everyone talks about. During the growth/maturing stage, you can fall, falter, etc. But once he's indwelled that other part is gone, rom 8:9, and HE is in control, gal 5:16.
That's why I cringe when people say the sinful nature will be there for all their life. It's not what scripture says.
Or that they will sin all their life, that is directly against scripture.
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I would have to say no.
In Acts 8, Philip went we Samaria and many were saved. It says that he preached Christ to them, they received it and were baptized. They had the words of Jesus Christ in them because they received what Philip said and were saved.
Then it says:
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money...
So according to this passage, they were saved (they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus) but still did not have the Holy Ghost. They were not 'filled' even they they were saved.
They had the Holy Spirit in regeneration, but not 'filled' with the Holy Spirit, even though they had the word of Christ in them and were saved.
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heterodoxical
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And if the SPIRIT is living in them, THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE FLESH! rom 8:9. No way to bend the verbiage either.
A person that is a Born Again Christian has the Holy Spirit dwelling inside them.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
KJV
1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you ?
KJV
The Disciples were born again here.
John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
KJV
They did, The Holy Spirit was in them.
Then Jesus told them:
Acts 1:4
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
KJV
Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
They were born again before the Day of Pentecost. On the Day of Pentecost they were baptized in the Holy Spirit and He came UPON them, He was already IN them.
The purpose of the Holy Spirit coming UPON them was for witnessing.
8c and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
The Holy Spirit stays IN us. He does not stay UPON us except while we are "witnessing".
"Witnessing" can be a multitude of things. From telling someone about Jesus at work to Preaching. From just living a godly lifestyle, which is a very powerful witness to laying hands on the sick.
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heterodoxical
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" Peace, be still !!! " -Mark 4:39
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit gives us the power and authority to calm the storms we face.
JESUS
The spirit doesn't have to be indwelling to do that, it can be leading you from the outside.
Very few of us are going to claim that we are indwelled by the Spirit and meet the Biblical standard.
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heterodoxical
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Please, I'm str8 forward, I pray you don't take it as "slamming you", but my responses in orange below.
I hope I presented my reasons for disagreement here in a way that is helpful and provides some thought. Most just tell me I'm wrong and never address any of the above.
I hope I presented my reasons for disagreement here in a way that is helpful and provides some thought. Most just tell me I'm wrong and never address any of the above.
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heterodoxical
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falling short is part of romans 6, "on the path" struggles. Not romans 8, I have arrived blessings.
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Jhn 6:63"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
QUICKENETH means matures. it says the SPIRIT matures you, not your own doings.
Rom 8: 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Maturity is with the Spirit and not with the flesh anymore.
Paul describes you are to be as mature as CHRIST was. And everyone of youwill say NUH UH to that, but...
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ: Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
word for perfect also intreprets as mature. To the same measure of the body as Christ. The same size body as Christ, to the same fullness of Christ. Perfect/mature to the fullness of Christ.
If that doesn't change your perspectives......
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No, the words that Jesus speaks to us at times are life-giving since they are from a divine source.
We hear those words at times because we "are" Spirit-filled.
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